I repeat, if you can't vote in or out the people that make the laws that govern you, then you do not live in a democracy. How do elected MEPs implement their policies?

They don't because the EU Parliament isn't a state Parliament. It serves another purpose, as I have already said and posted links about, so you can read for yourself. If that's your expectation, and your reason for a gripe, then you don't understand the system and are bound to be disappointed by it.

Our control over the lawmaking comes differently. We agree Treaties, which set out common aims. We send Ministers to the Council to oversee priorities. We send PMs to the Heads of State meetings. We elect a Parliament which chooses the PM, and they choose the Ministers. It's all more arms length than our local Parliament but with so many other countries involved that's inevitable

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

You can waffle as much as you like, but it is clear that if you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you don't live in a democracy.
How do MEPs and their parties implement their manifestos? What is point of electing them? We largely voted for UKIP and the Brexit Party, how do the arrangements you describe allow them to implement their policies?

Edited by georgenorman (23 Apr 2022 10.10pm)

I've done this as you currently occupy the top 5 or 6 threads as the last post in N&P W12.

Online fighting talk, wassup

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I like peanuts.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

So referendums are not the way to decide of EU membership in the view of some on here.

That is if the result is not what you like.

I have seen no mention on here of the 1975 Labour referendum on membership as being defective because such decisions should be left to Parliament.

I suppose to a high degree it depends on whether you want your elected representatives to do what you want or what their political affiliation and personal ambition directs.

IMHO many of the best MPs on both sides have never taken senior positions in Govt in great part to preserve their ability to vote as their constituents want.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.