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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Jul 20 2.24pm
Originally posted by jeeagles The only manager with a massive net outlay on players was BFS. Roy inherited all those players 6 months later. I think the issue with between Roy and Parish is clear. A friend of my flatmate came round last night. She was upset that her boyfriend of quite some time only meets her once a week and won't invest more in their relationship. She keeps giving him one more chance, he agrees to everything then does nothing. She keeps going round for their once a week visit. The worst that can happen for him is that she walks off, and he doesn't like her that much anyway so no bit loss for him. Otherwise, he keeps getting an easy shag every Wednesday without having to lift a finger... she also likes going to Palace matches so I might give cucking her number (although she is quite annoyiong). Anyway, Roy keeps keeping us up, which is what Parish wants, he keeps asking for investment, Parish keeps saying no becuase he doesn't really want to invest in Roy. The worst that will happen for Parish is the Roy will walk. He can then bring someone new in knowing he's saved up some cash for transfers to entice a decent manager in. Repeat every couple of years. Parish originally planned to spend in ' cycles ' but has been unable to stick to that in order to keep Palace in the Premier League. Yours is an interesting theory but I don't think it stacks up. Parish can't legislate for when Roy decides to walk...he may have only recently agreed another 12 months but he could change his mind and then at short notice Parish has to recruit a new manager and free up a transfer kitty which may or may not exist. Only twice have Palace brought in a group of players in recent times as I recall. The shower of s***e under Holloway and then the signings under Allardyce. Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Jul 20 2.24pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

The only manager with a massive net outlay on players was BFS. Roy inherited all those players 6 months later.

I think the issue with between Roy and Parish is clear.

A friend of my flatmate came round last night. She was upset that her boyfriend of quite some time only meets her once a week and won't invest more in their relationship. She keeps giving him one more chance, he agrees to everything then does nothing. She keeps going round for their once a week visit. The worst that can happen for him is that she walks off, and he doesn't like her that much anyway so no bit loss for him. Otherwise, he keeps getting an easy shag every Wednesday without having to lift a finger... she also likes going to Palace matches so I might give cucking her number (although she is quite annoyiong).

Anyway,

Roy keeps keeping us up, which is what Parish wants, he keeps asking for investment, Parish keeps saying no becuase he doesn't really want to invest in Roy. The worst that will happen for Parish is the Roy will walk. He can then bring someone new in knowing he's saved up some cash for transfers to entice a decent manager in. Repeat every couple of years.

Parish originally planned to spend in ' cycles ' but has been unable to stick to that in order to keep Palace in the Premier League.

Yours is an interesting theory but I don't think it stacks up. Parish can't legislate for when Roy decides to walk...he may have only recently agreed another 12 months but he could change his mind and then at short notice Parish has to recruit a new manager and free up a transfer kitty which may or may not exist.

Only twice have Palace brought in a group of players in recent times as I recall. The shower of s***e under Holloway and then the signings under Allardyce.

Old, Ungifted and White

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Eaglecoops CR3 23 Jul 20 2.31pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Parish originally planned to spend in ' cycles ' but has been unable to stick to that in order to keep Palace in the Premier League. Yours is an interesting theory but I don't think it stacks up. Parish can't legislate for when Roy decides to walk...he may have only recently agreed another 12 months but he could change his mind and then at short notice Parish has to recruit a new manager and free up a transfer kitty which may or may not exist. Only twice have Palace brought in a group of players in recent times as I recall. The shower of s***e under Holloway and then the signings under Allardyce. Maybe Parish is utterly convinced of Roy being true to his word and that he will fulfil his contract regardless of what happens. I don't know his history enough to know whether he has ever walked of his own volition before.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 23 Jul 20 2.31pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Parish originally planned to spend in ' cycles ' but has been unable to stick to that in order to keep Palace in the Premier League.

Only twice have Palace brought in a group of players in recent times as I recall. The shower of s***e under Holloway and then the signings under Allardyce.

Maybe Parish is utterly convinced of Roy being true to his word and that he will fulfil his contract regardless of what happens. I don't know his history enough to know whether he has ever walked of his own volition before.

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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 23 Jul 20 6.04pm
Originally posted by jeeagles The only manager with a massive net outlay on players was BFS. Roy inherited all those players 6 months later. I think the issue with between Roy and Parish is clear. A friend of my flatmate came round last night. She was upset that her boyfriend of quite some time only meets her once a week and won't invest more in their relationship. She keeps giving him one more chance, he agrees to everything then does nothing. She keeps going round for their once a week visit. The worst that can happen for him is that she walks off, and he doesn't like her that much anyway so no bit loss for him. Otherwise, he keeps getting an easy shag every Wednesday without having to lift a finger... she also likes going to Palace matches so I might give cucking her number (although she is quite annoyiong). Anyway, Roy keeps keeping us up, which is what Parish wants, he keeps asking for investment, Parish keeps saying no becuase he doesn't really want to invest in Roy. The worst that will happen for Parish is the Roy will walk. He can then bring someone new in knowing he's saved up some cash for transfers to entice a decent manager in. Repeat every couple of years. I'd bet every manager is always asking for more than he gets, that's human nature. A bit of a case of Occam's Razor. We haven't spent money because we don't have it.
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Mwncisee

Middlesbrough 23 Jul 20 6.04pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

The only manager with a massive net outlay on players was BFS. Roy inherited all those players 6 months later.

I think the issue with between Roy and Parish is clear.

Anyway,

I'd bet every manager is always asking for more than he gets, that's human nature. A bit of a case of Occam's Razor. We haven't spent money because we don't have it.

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jeeagles 23 Jul 20 8.37pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Maybe Parish is utterly convinced of Roy being true to his word and that he will fulfil his contract regardless of what happens. I don't know his history enough to know whether he has ever walked of his own volition before. The cycles was a decent plan, but things go wrong and you have to firefight a lot of the time when you are punching above your weight. Under Pardew I thought we were going for one marquee signing per transfer window. Which also seemed a good stratergy, as long as we built the team around the players we signed. Roy has never walked. He's said before in previous jobs that he should have resigned but was to arrogant. His words not mine.
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jeeagles

23 Jul 20 8.37pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

The cycles was a decent plan, but things go wrong and you have to firefight a lot of the time when you are punching above your weight.

Under Pardew I thought we were going for one marquee signing per transfer window. Which also seemed a good stratergy, as long as we built the team around the players we signed.

Roy has never walked. He's said before in previous jobs that he should have resigned but was to arrogant. His words not mine.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Jul 20 11.04pm
There is going to be an end of season discussion regarding the way forward. A de-brief etc etc and a vision going forward. Edited by Willo (23 Jul 2020 11.08pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Jul 20 11.04pm

There is going to be an end of season discussion regarding the way forward.
A de-brief etc etc and a vision going forward.

Edited by Willo (23 Jul 2020 11.08pm)

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PatrickA London 24 Jul 20 5.17am
The Mail is running a story today that Hodgson is set for crunch talks about his future. The story outlines a difference in philosophy between him and some of the hierarchy at the club in terms of recruitment with Hodgson wanting experienced players as opposed to the younger players that the club wish to recruit. Nothing of real substance in the story and possibly not a revelation to observers of Hodgson’s preference for experience and also the fact he only has a one year contract so youth is not a priority for him. I don’t believe Hodgson would want to bow out on potentially 8 successive defeats , but if a new manager became available more aligned to the club’s future plans it may not be a surprise if he steps down.
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PatrickA

London 24 Jul 20 5.17am

The Mail is running a story today that Hodgson is set for crunch talks about his future.
The story outlines a difference in philosophy between him and some of the hierarchy at the club in terms of recruitment with Hodgson wanting experienced players as opposed to the younger players that the club wish to recruit.
Nothing of real substance in the story and possibly not a revelation to observers of Hodgson’s preference for experience and also the fact he only has a one year contract so youth is not a priority for him.
I don’t believe Hodgson would want to bow out on potentially 8 successive defeats , but if a new manager became available more aligned to the club’s future plans it may not be a surprise if he steps down.

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Badger11 Beckenham 24 Jul 20 6.48am
Originally posted by PatrickA The Mail is running a story today that Hodgson is set for crunch talks about his future. The story outlines a difference in philosophy between him and some of the hierarchy at the club in terms of recruitment with Hodgson wanting experienced players as opposed to the younger players that the club wish to recruit. Nothing of real substance in the story and possibly not a revelation to observers of Hodgson’s preference for experience and also the fact he only has a one year contract so youth is not a priority for him. I don’t believe Hodgson would want to bow out on potentially 8 successive defeats , but if a new manager became available more aligned to the club’s future plans it may not be a surprise if he steps down. Back him or sack him. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 24 Jul 20 6.48am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Back him or sack him.

One more point

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southnorwoodhill 24 Jul 20 6.54am
Originally posted by Badger11 Back him or sack him. Sack him, back the new guy. No more McCarthy and Kouyate types please. Prioritise areas in need, it's not rocket science.
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24 Jul 20 6.54am

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Originally posted by Badger11

Back him or sack him.

Sack him, back the new guy. No more McCarthy and Kouyate types please. Prioritise areas in need, it's not rocket science.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Jul 20 6.55am
Originally posted by PatrickA The Mail is running a story today that Hodgson is set for crunch talks about his future. The story outlines a difference in philosophy between him and some of the hierarchy at the club in terms of recruitment with Hodgson wanting experienced players as opposed to the younger players that the club wish to recruit. Nothing of real substance in the story and possibly not a revelation to observers of Hodgson’s preference for experience and also the fact he only has a one year contract so youth is not a priority for him. I don’t believe Hodgson would want to bow out on potentially 8 successive defeats , but if a new manager became available more aligned to the club’s future plans it may not be a surprise if he steps down. That's interesting. That was one of the points I have been making - having a manager on a short term deal hardly lends itself to a policy of driving down the age of the squad by recruiting younger players that the manager won't be there to develop. Could be nothing in it, but equally it could be a way of parting company without actually having to sack Roy which I think would be a sad ending considering the good he has done over the course of his tenure. Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Jul 20 6.55am

Originally posted by PatrickA

That's interesting. That was one of the points I have been making - having a manager on a short term deal hardly lends itself to a policy of driving down the age of the squad by recruiting younger players that the manager won't be there to develop.

Could be nothing in it, but equally it could be a way of parting company without actually having to sack Roy which I think would be a sad ending considering the good he has done over the course of his tenure.

Old, Ungifted and White

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jul 20 8.15am
I don't have a 'Hotline' to the hierarchy whereby I am in receipt of a running commentary about the latest events at the club but the expectancy has been that Hodgson would be in situ for the start of the season. To rid Hodgson of his duties is risky for the club given that he has secured survival for 3 seasons. I really don't believe I was given a 'Bum steer'. Edited by Willo (24 Jul 2020 9.42am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jul 20 8.15am

I don't have a 'Hotline' to the hierarchy whereby I am in receipt of a running commentary about the latest events at the club but the expectancy has been that Hodgson would be in situ for the start of the season.
To rid Hodgson of his duties is risky for the club given that he has secured survival for 3 seasons.
I really don't believe I was given a 'Bum steer'.

Edited by Willo (24 Jul 2020 9.42am)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jul 20 9.32am
Originally posted by PatrickA The Mail is running a story today that Hodgson is set for crunch talks about his future. The story outlines a difference in philosophy between him and some of the hierarchy at the club in terms of recruitment with Hodgson wanting experienced players as opposed to the younger players that the club wish to recruit. Nothing of real substance in the story and possibly not a revelation to observers of Hodgson’s preference for experience and also the fact he only has a one year contract so youth is not a priority for him. I don’t believe Hodgson would want to bow out on potentially 8 successive defeats , but if a new manager became available more aligned to the club’s future plans it may not be a surprise if he steps down. The club have already recruited Nathan Ferguson and we have been scouting Ipswich midfielder Flynn Downes who has been dubbed "Flynedine Zidownes" ! Others as well.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jul 20 9.32am

Originally posted by PatrickA

The Mail is running a story today that Hodgson is set for crunch talks about his future.
The story outlines a difference in philosophy between him and some of the hierarchy at the club in terms of recruitment with Hodgson wanting experienced players as opposed to the younger players that the club wish to recruit.
Nothing of real substance in the story and possibly not a revelation to observers of Hodgson’s preference for experience and also the fact he only has a one year contract so youth is not a priority for him.
I don’t believe Hodgson would want to bow out on potentially 8 successive defeats , but if a new manager became available more aligned to the club’s future plans it may not be a surprise if he steps down.

The club have already recruited Nathan Ferguson and we have been scouting Ipswich midfielder Flynn Downes who has been dubbed "Flynedine Zidownes" ! Others as well.

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Putitout Oxford 24 Jul 20 9.55am
Let’s face it the Mail would only have to read these pages to get this story up and running. It’s hardly a revelation that Palace need experience and youth. Proven ability is what we actually need regardless of age. There is always the possibility of friction , if all Hodgson gets is hopeful kids.
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Putitout

Oxford 24 Jul 20 9.55am

Let’s face it the Mail would only have to read these pages to get this story up and running.
It’s hardly a revelation that Palace need experience and youth. Proven ability is what we actually need regardless of age. There is always the possibility of friction , if all Hodgson gets is hopeful kids.

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