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dreamwaverider London 17 Apr 19 8.08am | |
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Originally posted by VKR1888
In what world do you think it is acceptable to do this in a public place. It is abhorrent and if someone did that who I was out with I would like what are you doing. It can be done in a humorous way but anyone with half a brain in or out the media spotlight knows it is not acceptable. The amount of people trying to pass this off is mental. Him lying about it makes it worse. He should have just said it was a very very bad attempt at humour and even used the Fawlty Towers line and accepts it was wrong and will accept any punishment. His response is one is a coward. Please explain your viewpoint. Abhorrent, taking the piss out of Hitler? Is that what you mean?
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Mapletree Croydon 17 Apr 19 8.40am | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Please explain your viewpoint. Abhorrent, taking the piss out of Hitler? Is that what you mean? Maybe he did it because Max is German. Just a thought.
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Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 19 8.46am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Maybe he did it because Max is German. Just a thought. That was my first thought too. If if that wasn’t the reason it would’ve been a better get out than the one he did use.
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Painter Croydon 17 Apr 19 9.08am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Like some on here I suspect he did know what he was doing and that it was just a bad taste joke which we have all done at some time in our life. If we take him at his word however I think the panel should have asked him the following questions. How many times have you worn a poppy on your football shirt and stood for a minute's silence? Why do you think you were asked to do that? It was also pointed out that Wayne as part of the Welsh squad has been to Germay and Israel perhaps he should have taken 5 minutes to learn something about their history. I don't believe he should have been charged this is the FA getting their tighty whiteys in a twist. In the old days the gaffer would have rapped his knuckles and told him stop being so bloody stupid. Do you really think footballers take time to learn about the history of which countries they play in? Most are vacuous and self centred and only think about themselves. It is no surprise he hasn’t got a clue who Hitler was, I expect at least 20% of the UK population hasn’t. Or he could be lying!
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Eaglecoops CR3 17 Apr 19 9.11am | |
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Good job Freddie Starr is not still around, some of the holier than thous on here would go apoplectic! I find it incredible that a whole nation can laugh along at harmless humour and yet 30 years later the younger generation,who have no real idea about the period my parents went through feel that such things are an abomination. I suppose that the German Fawlty Towers episode will be banned next. The world has gone mad, mad I tell you.
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dreamwaverider London 17 Apr 19 9.53am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Maybe he did it because Max is German. Just a thought. Or maybe he did it because the waiter was throwing his weight about! Edited by dreamwaverider (17 Apr 2019 10.00am)
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ChrisGC Wantage 17 Apr 19 11.25am | |
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Originally posted by kenbarr
Take a history course and call me in the morning. Still don't get it. A French waiter called Bussolini. I googled it and there's not a significant historical character with the name Bussolini, French or Italian.
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chris123 hove actually 17 Apr 19 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Still don't get it. A French waiter called Bussolini. I googled it and there's not a significant historical character with the name Bussolini, French or Italian. Benito?
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Mapletree Croydon 17 Apr 19 12.14pm | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Or maybe he did it because the waiter was throwing his weight about! Edited by dreamwaverider (17 Apr 2019 10.00am) Don't lecture me or anyone else. From previous posts you will know my father was at Monte Casino and my Grandfather was injured at Vimy Ridge. Hennessy clearly thought it a laugh to equate Max to Hitler just because he is German. That is deeply inappropriate. The current generation of Germans know the sins of their forefathers in a great deal more detail than we do. Not everyone in Germany was a Nazi either, who'da thought it. Edited by Mapletree (17 Apr 2019 12.15pm)
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kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 17 Apr 19 1.03pm | |
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Originally posted by YT
To give even more due credit, it was 'Thames Television' that made The World at War. Yes, it was broadcast on the ITV network. It even won an Emmy Award when it was broadcast in the United States on both commercial and public TV (check your local listings). If the FA statement is to be believed, Hennessey's lack of knowledge of what a "Nazi Salute" (Hitler Gruss in German) looks like may be considered testament to the shockingly bad teaching of history in our schools, both in the UK & US. Nobody ever claimed footballers are honor students. Steve Coppell and Gary O'Reilly are atypical of the profession. FYI while living in London from 1989-92 I was a supply teacher at Dunraven School in Streatham before it went grant maintained. My take on the FA statement is slightly less believing they are telling the truth and are in the midst of a CYA exercise. I believe what Hennessey actually said was he was not aware what he was doing was the Hitler Gruss and had no intention of doing such a thing, a position he has maintained straight through. As I said earlier, even if he does know not what it is and looks like that is more an indictment of his education and not him personally as the FA intimated. No wonder I refer to them as Sweet Fanny Adams. No matter what I think of his talent and performance he seems to me to be a decent chap doing the best he can. It is Sweet Fanny, reacting to public reaction, that made this into a thing. I fully agree with Mapletree about the very strong tradition of satire in British culture. Wasn't there a song during the war "The Furher's Face" that included the Bronx cheer? Mel Brooks has made a fortune parodying Hitler in dozens of things, from "The Producers," which still holds the record for most Tony Awards won in a single year to "To Be Or Not To Be." Roberto Benigni won plenty for "Life is Beautiful." One of the best episodes of "Fawlty Towers" is "The Germans." The sight of John Cleese parading around like a Storm Trooper is considered one of funniest bits on TV anywhere. Monty Python constantly parodied WW II, in fact, they parodied just about every war every fought. We seem to forget context and by doing so we cheapen the real offenses against decency. Going out on a limb,I find that the #MeToo movement has become counter-productive and is at risk of seriously damaging the very real issue of abuse. Joe Biden trying to calm down a nervous candidate for public office is nowhere near the same as Harvey Weinstein's alleged serial use of the casting couch. A street thief shouting racism when arrested for stealing is not the same as Raheem Sterling identifying clearly racist chanting directed at him and others at a football match. Wayne Hennessey waving his arm back and forth while cupping his hand over his mouth does not make him the British David Duke. Just because Sweet Fanny Adams says he has a "lamentable degree of ignorance" (their words as quoted by the BBC) doesn't make it so. Is it possible that the FA had a "lamentable knowledge of safety procedures" (my words) when they approved of the arrangements for the FA Cup Semi-Final played on 15 April 1989, 30 years ago? In fact, that is exactly what I am saying it in my view it rises to the level of culpable negligence. Wayne Hennessey's arm waving rises to the level of nothing.
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Stirlingsays 17 Apr 19 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Bad joke? Good light hearted piss take of Hitler. What’s so wrong with that. Go read some of the old trash mags. Don’t let anyone here especially the newcomers ever forget we won the war and beat Hitler. In a straight fight it pains me to note that we would have lost. We survived until 1941, which in the end ensured our independence due to the war's expansion.
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Stirlingsays 17 Apr 19 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Maybe he did it because Max is German. Just a thought. John Lennon was doing the Hitler salute to German fans back in the early sixties. I thought we fought a war against authoritarianism. God save us from the puritans.
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