Jesus wept.

I sit next to a practising muslim woman at work.I know for sure who is the more tolerant (and more repressed)out of her and Hrolf in their general attitudes.

It may be doubted as to whether he's actually personally known a muslim in his life..

As for "caribbean-style mentality" of our youth tosh,has Hrolf actually examined the latest stats released by the Met covering 2015-16 re knife crime...very significant numbers of white and other non- Caribbean origin youngsters...Knife crime is indeed a serious concern of our time...but has very British roots in this country and featured heavily in "our" culture in the 19th century.Perhaps there was even a Hrolf the Eveready to use a blade in Victorian Norwood?

Meanwhile,some people on here accuse Nick G of being a bigot and a racist....strange days indeed,as John Lennon put it.

The fact that this thread has turned into a bash Muslims thread kind of proves what I've been saying elsewhere.

This is based on what?

I know Muslim women who don't wear a headscarf , I've worked with those that do and I've chatted with mums at parents evening who have had the full face veil.

All lovely people. I found the full face veil disconcerting at first, I won't deny it, but it turned out with one of them that I knew her cousin who worked at another school I had worked at. I certainly didn't get the sense that she was on some sort of power trip.

I'm a bit meh about the veil myself. The fact that women wear it because men can't control their urges is a bit of a s*** reason (I wonder if irony is lost on those people that have said 'it's disgusting they have to cover up ' but have also said 'she probably deserved it dressed like that'?

However there are many many Muslim women who like the modesty of the veil, only showing herself off to those close.
Not many women like being gawked at and seen as 'objects'. The veil prevents this.

It should however be the woman's choice whether she wears he garb or not.

Nail on the head Nick.

They have the option of integrating or dropping some of their customs from centuries ago. Other migrants have, and other Muslims have.

How's Weinstein's state of mind these days? CAnt be good.

This is based on what?

I know Muslim women who don't wear a headscarf , I've worked with those that do and I've chatted with mums at parents evening who have had the full face veil.

All lovely people. I found the full face veil disconcerting at first, I won't deny it, but it turned out with one of them that I knew her cousin who worked at another school I had worked at. I certainly didn't get the sense that she was on some sort of power trip.

I'm a bit meh about the veil myself. The fact that women wear it because men can't control their urges is a bit of a s*** reason (I wonder if irony is lost on those people that have said 'it's disgusting they have to cover up ' but have also said 'she probably deserved it dressed like that'?

However there are many many Muslim women who like the modesty of the veil, only showing herself off to those close.
Not many women like being gawked at and seen as 'objects'. The veil prevents this.

It should however be the woman's choice whether she wears he garb or not.