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Teddy Eagle 09 Jun 24 11.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course not. Forcing would be restraining them and injecting them against their will. This was offering a choice. They then had to decide, using only their own free will, what choice they made. It all depended on what mattered most to them. Life is littered with difficult choices between two things we both dislike. Many will be doing it on July 4th here and November 5th in the USA. Not being allowed to go to a restaurant, pub or on holiday isn't much of a choice.
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Teddy Eagle 09 Jun 24 11.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t and we don’t have one now, nor had one during the Covid crisis. Some people apparently think dictatorships can be run by a representative government subject to the rule of law, the scrutiny of parliament and the ultimate sanction of a monarch. I don’t. But you do think anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion shouldn't be allowed outside.
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eaglesdare 10 Jun 24 12.03am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Some people apparently think dictatorships are a reasonable form of authority. Yes. Best not to engage with those kinds of people.
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Stirlingsays 10 Jun 24 12.07am | |
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This particular poster still continues to push misinformation by linking to selective studies. I've already mentioned the Cochrane Review, which many regard as the definitive non profit medical review in medicine...note the words, 'non profit'. They released their review into the effectiveness of masks in 2023 and here are some quotes from its findings. The Jan. 30 review found that based on existing randomized controlled trials — which tested the effectiveness of interventions encouraging people to wear masks, rather than testing the effectiveness of masks themselves — wearing masks in the community “probably makes little or no difference” to the number of people with influenza or COVID-19-like illnesses. “The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks,” the review reads. The authors, however, also emphasized the “uncertainty about the effects of face masks.” And only two trials in the review assessed the effectiveness of a mask intervention for COVID-19. “The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions,” the authors wrote. “The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect.” Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2024 12.13am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 24 8.46am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not being allowed to go to a restaurant, pub or on holiday isn't much of a choice. That you regard it as a poor choice might mean you bit your lip and got vaccinated to avoid it. Your decision. Your choice. You didn’t make the rules. We did, via our elected representatives. Once done we all then needed to follow them. You included. That’s the way it works.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 24 8.50am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But you do think anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion shouldn't be allowed outside. Of course not. People could do whatever they liked, within the set rules. Which varied from time to time. Taking exercise outside was encouraged. Sitting in crowded spaces whilst unvaccinated not so.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 24 9.23am | |
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As I said there is a lot of research on the effectiveness of masks on reducing the level of viral load transmitted which together reach a broad consensus. Including some to be found in Cochrane, who have published several at various times. Which one the particular phrases that were cherry picked to support a prejudice come from is unknown, so when it was produced and in which circumstances is also unknown. However here is another, also from Cochrane, which supports the consensus:- Key phrase, “Evidence suggests that the potential benefits of wearing masks likely outweigh the potential harms when SARS‐CoV‐2 is spreading in a community” This one, also from Cochrane, is older but even more unequivocal:- Key phrase, “The evidence in favor of community face coverings to slow the spread of COVID‐19 is strong.”
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Stirlingsays 10 Jun 24 9.53am | |
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Both of those studies are from 2021. The definitive last study I linked to that has studied the findings post this experience of Covid was what I linked to in 2023. It found no evidence for your claims and I repeat Cochrane is amongst the most respected studies in medicine and is non profit.....unlike the dubious funding that comes from many studies. This guy is like that knight in Monty Python defending the bridge. All his limbs are cut off but he's still trying to headbutt the truth.
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Teddy Eagle 10 Jun 24 11.17am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course not. People could do whatever they liked, within the set rules. Which varied from time to time. Taking exercise outside was encouraged. Sitting in crowded spaces whilst unvaccinated not so. How generous. Vaccination didn't prevent anyone either catching or transmitting COVID for 16 out of 17 of those over the age of 12 but the remaining 1 person represents clear and present danger? How?
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Teddy Eagle 10 Jun 24 11.22am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That you regard it as a poor choice might mean you bit your lip and got vaccinated to avoid it. Your decision. Your choice. You didn’t make the rules. We did, via our elected representatives. Once done we all then needed to follow them. You included. That’s the way it works. Our elected representatives who frequently broke those rules which, to me, indicates how seriously they took them.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 24 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How generous. Vaccination didn't prevent anyone either catching or transmitting COVID for 16 out of 17 of those over the age of 12 but the remaining 1 person represents clear and present danger? How? That’s what is known now. Not then. We aren’t restricted now. Masks aren’t now required on aircraft for instance. Taking precautions makes sense when outcomes remain unknown or before other measures, like vaccines, reduce the risk. Expecting everyone to participate in a national endeavour is a very reasonable request. It’s even a patriotic duty. Something that many claim to prize but are reluctant to deliver.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 24 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Our elected representatives who frequently broke those rules which, to me, indicates how seriously they took them. Don’t like the behaviour of elected representatives? Change them! As we are about to. I was asked for my Covid passport several times when travelling. We couldn’t board a ship without one, had to have a negative test prior to boarding and regular temperature checks whilst on board. All of which were reassuring, not threatening.
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