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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Jun 22 1.15pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Just think of the amount of lives that could have been saved if we had met Hitler's demands!

The tyrant whose demands we met were Stalin's

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 14 Jun 22 1.18pm

Originally posted by W12


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I've repeatedly, including today, showed you evidence of Russian attacks on civilians. What about the Ukranian attack you posted makes that evidence, and evidence of Russian attacks on Ukranian citizens not. You saying 'they have no motive' or 'i don't believe our media' isn't an answer. All that shows is that you've already made up your mind regardless of what proof is shown.. which of course is the case.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Jun 2022 1.19pm)

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Jun 22 1.31pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The tyrant whose demands we met were Stalin's

Well, in fairness, we kept on appeasing the fuhrer. But I would agree Stalin was worse. However, if Germany hadn't invaded them, they wouldn't have been our allies. Once it had happened what choice did Britain have? The tyrant trying to kill you, or the tyrant killing his own people whilst fighting your enemy? Stark choices for Mr Churchill (although appeasement obviously Chamberlain).

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Jun 22 2.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Well, in fairness, we kept on appeasing the fuhrer. But I would agree Stalin was worse. However, if Germany hadn't invaded them, they wouldn't have been our allies. Once it had happened what choice did Britain have? The tyrant trying to kill you, or the tyrant killing his own people whilst fighting your enemy? Stark choices for Mr Churchill (although appeasement obviously Chamberlain).

Oh Gawd AS

If we went down WW2 revisionism counter factuals it could get very spicy.

But I agree that Britain was stuck in a very difficult position.

The idea that we should have declared war on Germany as soon as it had broken any agreements is pretty unrealistic. There was no support for that anyway.

 


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W12 14 Jun 22 2.37pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

I've repeatedly, including today, showed you evidence of Russian attacks on civilians. What about the Ukranian attack you posted makes that evidence, and evidence of Russian attacks on Ukranian citizens not. You saying 'they have no motive' or 'i don't believe our media' isn't an answer. All that shows is that you've already made up your mind regardless of what proof is shown.. which of course is the case.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Jun 2022 1.19pm)

No you haven't, you have linked to various "claims"

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 14 Jun 22 2.38pm

Originally posted by W12

No you haven't, you have linked to various "claims"

I've already explained precisely what I've posted and provided, and why nothing you automatically take as gospel is anything more substantial in any way. You're too all-in to take anything on board.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Jun 2022 2.39pm)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 14 Jun 22 5.33pm

Navalny Moved to Maximum-Security Prison After Fraud Conviction - [Link]

Jailed opposition figure Alexei Navalny has been transferred to a maximum-security prison after his prison term was extended to nine years, his lawyer said Tuesday.

The Kremlin’s most vocal domestic foe, Navalny had been at a penal colony in the Vladimir region city of Pokrov east of Moscow since February 2021.

His transfer comes in accordance with his March 2022 sentencing to nine years in a maximum-security colony on fraud charges that he and his allies have described as politically motivated and an effort to keep him in prison for life.

Navalny was sentenced to 2.5 years in prison in February 2021 upon returning to Russia after recovering abroad from a near-fatal nerve-agent poisoning that he blames on President Vladimir Putin.

His arrest sparked nationwide protests that were met with a harsh crackdown.

That summer, Russia outlawed his political and activist networks as “extremist” organizations and most of his allies have since fled abroad to escape prosecution.

Navalny said last month that he has been hit with new charges of “extremism” and “inciting hatred” against authorities, which could see him face another 15 years in prison.

 

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W12 14 Jun 22 8.08pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

I've already explained precisely what I've posted and provided, and why nothing you automatically take as gospel is anything more substantial in any way. You're too all-in to take anything on board.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Jun 2022 2.39pm)

Projection

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 14 Jun 22 8.50pm

Originally posted by W12

Projection

Not at all, I'm not the one in denial about war crimes in war, indeed I acknowledge them.

Ultimately, you're not about to reason yourself out of a position you didn't reason yourself into. You have seen far more evidence of Russian war crimes but they are all denied with often ridiculous justification for doing so. 'Shadows' in CCTV footage etc.

"I'm open to the idea that Russians or Separatists attacked civilians but I see neither any direct evidence or a clear motive and I no longer believe anything our media are telling us. "

As good as saying that nothing will reach the threshold, whereas your 'evidence' threshold for Ukranian crimes is any old unsourced twitter video, alt media article, or interview under duress or threat of death. I don't care if you're honest with me, but you can't even be honest with yourself and so it's a pointless conversation anyway. Have a good night.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Jun 2022 9.54pm)

 

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W12 14 Jun 22 11.44pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Not at all, I'm not the one in denial about war crimes in war, indeed I acknowledge them.

Ultimately, you're not about to reason yourself out of a position you didn't reason yourself into. You have seen far more evidence of Russian war crimes but they are all denied with often ridiculous justification for doing so. 'Shadows' in CCTV footage etc.

"I'm open to the idea that Russians or Separatists attacked civilians but I see neither any direct evidence or a clear motive and I no longer believe anything our media are telling us. "

As good as saying that nothing will reach the threshold, whereas your 'evidence' threshold for Ukranian crimes is any old unsourced twitter video, alt media article, or interview under duress or threat of death. I don't care if you're honest with me, but you can't even be honest with yourself and so it's a pointless conversation anyway. Have a good night.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Jun 2022 9.54pm)

You are a lost cause mate

 

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W12 15 Jun 22 6.47pm

Oh FFS. How much more obvious does this need to get?

[Link]

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jun 22 7.41pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I've been dying to ask Putin what Zorro's role is in all of this?

 


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