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 Stirlingsays  10 Dec 20 11.13am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
So if you agree with this "If you are going to use the genetics argument surely the only true "Americans" are the indigenous peoples the Native Americans, so everyone else is an immigrant" which you did above, surely all immigration from all counties should considered normal. I've already answered this point from WE but I'll expand. The word 'immigrant' can be used about every single human who expanded out from the original habitats. It becomes a game....in reality where is the line between indigenous and not indigenous. I would suggest that it truly exists when your genetics have been altered by your geographical location but others may differ. That is the case with Europeans, Asians and Africans....they are categories precisely because their genes are adapted to their different home environments. As I said, the Democratic slogan is a deliberate misuse to suggest that what happened from 65 was no different to the past....So they could get a new voter base in. The reality is that past immigration was homogeneous along European lines not heterogeneous as today. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.15am)
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| Belmont 10 Dec 20 11.18am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I've already answered this point from WE but I'll expand. The word 'immigrant' can be used about every single human who expanded out from the original habitats. It becomes a game....in reality where is the line between indigenous and not indigenous. I would suggest that it truly exists when your genetics have been altered by your geographical location but others may differ. That is the case with Europeans, Asians and Africans....they are categories precisely because their genes are adapted to their different home environments. As I said, the Democratic slogan is a deliberate misuse to suggest that what happened from 65 was no different to the past....So they could get a new voter base in. The reality is that past immigration was homogeneous along European lines not heterogeneous as today. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.15am) So for example what about the influx of Chinese immigration in the 1800s?
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| Stirlingsays 10 Dec 20 11.19am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
So for example what about the influx of Chinese immigration in the 1800s? Were they given American citizenship? To become a naturalised American you had to be European. If I remember the phrase used was: 'free white person[s] of good character'. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.26am)
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| Belmont 10 Dec 20 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Were they given American citizenship? Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.19am) That actually wasn't your point if you look up Chinese immigration to America they were classed as immigrants, I didn't say they were welcomed but they emigrated and stayed.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Dec 20 11.27am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
That actually wasn't your point if you look up Chinese immigration to America they were classed as immigrants, I didn't say they were welcomed but they emigrated and stayed. Well according to the constitution not legally. I'm not expert on the US constitution but If what I'm saying wasn't true, America wouldn't have been a 90+ European country in 65, when that's what it was.
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| Belmont 10 Dec 20 11.30am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well according to the constitution not legally. Ok well if you want to keep moving the goal posts I'll leave you to it.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Dec 20 11.30am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
Ok well if you want to keep moving the goal posts I'll leave you to it. How have I moved the goalposts?
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Dec 20 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
Not according to a lot of posters on these boards when it comes to Britain. Think about your own views. If say, a load of Europeans illegally went to Africa and set up shop they're colonists. If a load of Africans do the same to Europe what are they? To be welcomed with open arms apparently. A European who complains is a racist/fascist/far right. What is an African that doesn't want outside involvement - a hero for freedom.
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| Belmont 10 Dec 20 11.34am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
How have I moved the goalposts? Ok read back through your posts and show me where you specifically made the point about legal or illegal immigration?
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| Belmont 10 Dec 20 11.36am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Think about your own views. If say, a load of Europeans illegally went to Africa and set up shop they're colonists. If a load of Africans do the same to Europe what are they? To be welcomed with open arms apparently. A European who complains is a racist/fascist/far right. What is an African that doesn't want outside involvement - a hero for freedom. When has an African country colonised a European one?
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| Stirlingsays 10 Dec 20 11.38am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
Ok read back through your posts and show me where you specifically made the point about legal or illegal immigration? ? I've made this point more than once. At 10:44 I posted: 'The US constitution stated only European immigrants.'
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| Stirlingsays 10 Dec 20 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
When has an African country colonised a European one? He said 'if'.
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