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 Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 11 Oct 16 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Do you mean grammar schools or private schools? Grammar schools are state selective schools. They are definitely not a tax on the wealthy. Quite the opposite as poor students make up significantly less % of pupils at grammar schools than they do at standard state schools. It ends up being an effective tax break for the wealthy as it means they don't need to send their children to private schools. There are some on the Right who obviously have less affinity with the poor than others. And there are some whose policy stances are worse for the poor than others. Where policies are obviously damaging to the poor then it isn't surprising that if imposed by an apparently rich individual the claim that they don't understand the plight of the ordinary man sticks. Edited by OknotOK (11 Oct 2016 3.07pm) I meant Grammar. Key point is used correctly. Wealthy was probably the wrong word, wealthier would have been more accurate. Essentially as Nick says, it tends to be the better off that get into a Grammar, if there was a way if combining means testing and the 11+ where the better off pay more for certain aspects of the child's education. My daughter doesn't go to a grammar school but we have to pay for things that other students don't. I am sure that there are people with the wherewithal to come up with a workable process
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npn  Crowborough 11 Oct 16 5.15pm |
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If they are going to do it, do it universally. The fact that you CAN be tutored to pass is daft, surely there must be a way they can come up with something 'un tutorable'? Having spoken to a few young friends of ours, we've come across a couple of Oxbridge-accepted students from the local comp who turned down grammar schools on the basis that they thought it would be too much of a blow to go from top of top set to just a run-of-the-mill student.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
I'm not talking about tutoring, I'm talking about kids of above average intelligence going to grammar school.
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| chris123 hove actually 11 Oct 16 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you have any evidence to substantiate this?
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 11 Oct 16 5.56pm |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 6.25pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Do you have any evidence to substantiate this? Only talking to grammar school teachers, attending numerous public meetings, looking at stats that sort of thing.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Old news about the SWP, that's why I have no truck with them
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 Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 6.52pm |
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Originally posted by npn
If they are going to do it, do it universally. The fact that you CAN be tutored to pass is daft, surely there must be a way they can come up with something 'un tutorable'? Having spoken to a few young friends of ours, we've come across a couple of Oxbridge-accepted students from the local comp who turned down grammar schools on the basis that they thought it would be too much of a blow to go from top of top set to just a run-of-the-mill student. That is what they have tried to do.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 7.03pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is what they have tried to do. It hasn't worked. Not in Bucks anyway.
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| chris123 hove actually 11 Oct 16 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Only talking to grammar school teachers, attending numerous public meetings, looking at stats that sort of thing. The Guardian article seems to be about pakistani kids not getting a fair crack in Buckinghamshire - did you read it?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 7.09pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
The Guardian article seems to be about pakistani kids not getting a fair crack in Buckinghamshire - did you read it? Skim read it, still kids not getting a shot though isn't it. Plenty of other stuff out there about kids not getting a fair crack. I recommend you chat with a few grammar school teachers about kids not 'good enough' for grammar school but getting in via intensive coaching. Read somewhere that the tutor industry is worth over £1.5 billion. Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 7.12pm)
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| chris123 hove actually 11 Oct 16 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Skim read it, still kids not getting a shot though isn't it. Plenty of other stuff out there about kids not getting a fair crack. I recommend you chat with a few grammar school teachers about kids not 'good enough' for grammar school but getting in via intensive coaching. Read somewhere that the tutor industry is worth over £1.5 billion. Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 7.12pm) There are 160 odd Grammars with 167,000 pupils - so 3% is about 5,000 kids - out of how many in all forms of secondary education, I don't know. I'm just not persuaded yet that free meals is the indicator you think it is.
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