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Mstrobez 01 Jun 17 8.33am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Not true as her weekly performances in Prime Ministers Question Time show where she regularly makes mince meat out of Corbyn Why should she join these bun fights as we are voting for a government and not a president so it doesn't really matter who represents the Conservatives as long as somebody does. So the public can see how she handles being properly pressed on issues she otherwise refuses to acknowledge. I've never seen her make mince meat of Corbyn on PMQs, just heard the media act as if she did.
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thechaddyboy Peterborough 01 Jun 17 9.03am | |
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The Labour / Corbyn manifesto is a fantastic 'wish list' for many of the UK's working class & he's made more of an effort recently with regards to his public approach but, regardless of how much i dislike the Tories the thought of Corbyn in power gives me no confidence. He'd promise the EU anything just to secure a deal, the immigration issue would not improve & more than likely get worse, whilst the promises he's making in the manifesto may come into effect but at the expense of borrowing. £10 an hour minimum wage is fine but can small businesses afford to pay out 25% more & if you earn below £80k a year you get no tax increases for 5 years, pretty sure many are lucky if they earn £80k in 5 years nevermind in one.
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Lyons550 Shirley 01 Jun 17 9.04am | |
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I think it's about time these debates were stopped...who can honestly say they remember a debate that actually provided them with enough information to make an informed decision on which way they were going to vote? It's like being back at school with bullies talking over one another, refusing to allow each other to speak or get a word in edge ways. Pathetic. Even though they were cringe-worthy I think the best and most informative pieces of campaigning so far have been the Andrew Neil interviews... but even then, they weren't long enough. I'll be glad when it's all over tbh and we can move forward.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 01 Jun 17 9.07am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Shame most of his MPs don't like what he says - if they did, perhaps we could take him more seriously. tho I'm not sure that's true. I think it's more of a case that they felt that he was seen by the general public as unelectable and most were pro-remain and thought he was not doing enough to hide his ambivalence with the EU. I understand that many Labour MPs like most of the policies, and certainly like the messaging around being against more cuts and proper funding for public services and ensuring access to the single market. All Labour MPs are behind the manifesto and respect how Labour policies are made (by the NEC and not simply by Corbyn).
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Mstrobez 01 Jun 17 9.17am | |
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Originally posted by thechaddyboy
The Labour / Corbyn manifesto is a fantastic 'wish list' for many of the UK's working class & he's made more of an effort recently with regards to his public approach but, regardless of how much i dislike the Tories the thought of Corbyn in power gives me no confidence. He'd promise the EU anything just to secure a deal, the immigration issue would not improve & more than likely get worse, whilst the promises he's making in the manifesto may come into effect but at the expense of borrowing. £10 an hour minimum wage is fine but can small businesses afford to pay out 25% more & if you earn below £80k a year you get no tax increases for 5 years, pretty sure many are lucky if they earn £80k in 5 years nevermind in one. Have you been watching May recently? She's all over the gaff. I've tried to remain open minded as I'm not 100% convinced by labour as a whole and I personally feel they would have no choice but to water down a few policies if they were to get into power, but May has done nothing to convince me she will take this country forward at all. As the election goes on she just appears more and more of a car crash.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 01 Jun 17 9.20am | |
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Originally posted by susmik
She has more sense than to stand amongst those other idiots that cannot debate and with the "hand" picked audience it makes it all one big joke. "The BBC insisted they had used polling company ComRes "to recruit an audience that is representative of the country demographically and politically". They claimed the audience was balanced between "age; gender; ethnicity; socio-economic; party politics; how they voted in EU referendum; and some undecided voters"." Perhaps the Corbyn supporters were just more vocal? Perhaps people find it risible (hence the laughter) that the Tories say they should be judged on their record on the economy. Perhaps members of the public do think that inequality is too high, public services dangerously underfunded, aren't happy with stagnant wages for most but huge gains for the super rich. But then again maybe it was all a plot by the BBC to enrage the right wing press and commentators. There is no evidence that the audience was picked in a biased way. It seems a lot more plausible that the anti-Tory faction in the audience just made more noise. In the last election 11m voted Tory and there are c.52m adults in the UK so 21% of a representative audience would be Tory voters. Not hard to envisage a representative audience being anti-Tory. Even with an increase in vote this time the percentage wouldn't be above 25%.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 01 Jun 17 9.37am | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
I was genuinely rooting for her (as much as I can root for a Tory) up until she called this election but this whole campaign seems to of exposed a lot of her weakness. She seems to be many of the things her and others label Corbyn and I personally think God help us if this is the one to lead the country and brexit negotiations. "No deal is better than a bad deal" is quite obviously a true statement - shouting that from the roof tops every 10 minutes is an extremely naive strategy in my opinion though. Edited by Mstrobez (31 May 2017 10.52pm) No deal is a bad deal More than that, there is no such thing as "no deal". Supply chains, travel, financial services, visas, transitional arrangements. We will need some sort of rules of engagement with Europe. You can't just cut the UK off and stop any movement of good, services and people. All of these things need some sort of "deal". Falling back on WTO trade deals would be madness. You'd see utter pandemonium up and down the UK in such a situation. People expect to be able to buy tomatoes from Spain in February and a huge list of other produce in addition. The tariffs on such items would make them prohibitively expensive. Add to that the fact that we'd not be able to export our produce to the EU without huge tariffs and the impact would be massively negative. We need someone committed to working with the EU to get a good deal for both sides not a bunch of posturing bullies.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Jun 17 9.38am | |
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3%! Down from a 24% lead in April. Remarkable.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 01 Jun 17 9.43am | |
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Reliant on getting the young vote out.
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thechaddyboy Peterborough 01 Jun 17 9.54am | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Have you been watching May recently? She's all over the gaff. I've tried to remain open minded as I'm not 100% convinced by labour as a whole and I personally feel they would have no choice but to water down a few policies if they were to get into power, but May has done nothing to convince me she will take this country forward at all. As the election goes on she just appears more and more of a car crash. Granted, Paxman had her flustered but then he rattled Corbyn too. Still wouldn't trust Corbyn to run the country, you seen the state of his front garden when the press are outside waiting for him ? If he can't manage to weed a small garden he'd trash our economy
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 01 Jun 17 9.59am | |
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Originally posted by thechaddyboy
Granted, Paxman had her flustered but then he rattled Corbyn too. Still wouldn't trust Corbyn to run the country, you seen the state of his front garden when the press are outside waiting for him ? If he can't manage to weed a small garden he'd trash our economy I assume you'll be voting for Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen then?
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jun 17 10.02am | |
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If you believe this you must believe that the earth is flat. Both parties don't believe such narrow leads have much credence and they both agree that the Conservatives still have a sizeable lead. We Conservatives are NOT being complacent in any shape or form - I am just reflecting what I have seen and heard. Anyway, I have said that I will stay well clear of political debates, else they will turn into WILLO threads so I shall now bow out and allow others to take 'Centre stage' even though I will be very tempted to comment on the dastardly 'Labour Party' with their fantasy figures on the 'Money tree' and Comrade Corbyn with his beliefs which have been laid bare in this campaign.I have my canvassing to do on behalf of my party both locally and further afield ! Edited by Willo (01 Jun 2017 10.30am)
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