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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Oct 16 1.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

An Salesman? Never heard of her.

Rather than taking potshots, why don't you engage in the grammar school debate.

Cheap even by your standards.

Both my kids went to grammar schools and I'm very happy about that. I went to a s***hole of a comprehensive and I vowed not to let them share that experience.

Is everyone equal? No.
Will they ever be ? No.
Is it fair that above average kids should be forced to work with the average and below average? No.

Are politicians who send their kids to paid schools and then condemn the system hypocrites? Oh yes.

 

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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 11 Oct 16 3.05pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I agree 100%, but when it's a Tory apparently they are just too rich to know what it is like for the ordinary man/woman

For me, Grammar schools are a bit like private medicine. Used correctly it frees resources for the rest of us and it is in affect a voluntary tax on the wealthy. The rub of course is ensuring that they are used correctly

Do you mean grammar schools or private schools? Grammar schools are state selective schools. They are definitely not a tax on the wealthy. Quite the opposite as poor students make up significantly less % of pupils at grammar schools than they do at standard state schools. It ends up being an effective tax break for the wealthy as it means they don't need to send their children to private schools.

There are some on the Right who obviously have less affinity with the poor than others. And there are some whose policy stances are worse for the poor than others.

Where policies are obviously damaging to the poor then it isn't surprising that if imposed by an apparently rich individual the claim that they don't understand the plight of the ordinary man sticks.

Edited by OknotOK (11 Oct 2016 3.07pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 3.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Cheap even by your standards.

Both my kids went to grammar schools and I'm very happy about that. I went to a s***hole of a comprehensive and I vowed not to let them share that experience.

Is everyone equal? No.
Will they ever be ? No.
Is it fair that above average kids should be forced to work with the average and below average? No.

Are politicians who send their kids to paid schools and then condemn the system hypocrites? Oh yes.

As I've said before my eldest goes to grammar but I'm against them.

Is it fair that above average intelligence kids from poorer socio-economic backgrounds miss out on grammar schools because their parents can't afford to tutor them?

Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 3.10pm)

 

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We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 11 Oct 16 3.09pm Send a Private Message to We are goin up! Add We are goin up! as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Cheap even by your standards.

Both my kids went to grammar schools and I'm very happy about that. I went to a s***hole of a comprehensive and I vowed not to let them share that experience.

Is everyone equal? No.
Will they ever be ? No.
Is it fair that above average kids should be forced to work with the average and below average? No.

Are politicians who send their kids to paid schools and then condemn the system hypocrites? Oh yes.


Agree with what you're saying, the only caveat is that there is selection within schools at the moment, with the brightest kids being put in top sets and therefore working alongside each other.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Oct 16 3.21pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

As I've said before my eldest goes to grammar but I'm against them.

m?Is it fair that above average intelligence kids from poorer socio-economic backgrounds miss out on grammar schools because their parents can't afford to tutor the

Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 3.10pm)

This is just another socialist generalisation. My kids were not tutored. They just practiced exam papers for the 11 plus.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 3.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is just another socialist generalisation. My kids were not tutored. They just practiced exam papers for the 11 plus.

Is an average of only 3% of kids in grammars on free school meals a socialist generalisation or does it show that people from the poorer parts of society have less opportunity.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Oct 16 3.32pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by We are goin up!


Agree with what you're saying, the only caveat is that there is selection within schools at the moment, with the brightest kids being put in top sets and therefore working alongside each other.

It is difficult to imagine a system that was perfect.

There is an issue with selective schools trying to present favourable exam statistics by moving the goal posts for sixth form entry and therefore only excepting top performers. Elitism does tend to spit you out if you fall below it's current standards but equally one cannot reasonably rely on the state system to educate your children when standards are so poor in many state schools.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 3.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is difficult to imagine a system that was perfect.

There is an issue with selective schools trying to present favourable exam statistics by moving the goal posts for sixth form entry and therefore only excepting top performers. Elitism does tend to spit you out if you fall below it's current standards but equally one cannot reasonably rely on the state system to educate your children when standards are so poor in many state schools.

And why are standards so poor in many state schools?

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Oct 16 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

And why are standards so poor in many state schools?

Tory Cunds of course.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Oct 16 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is an average of only 3% of kids in grammars on free school meals a socialist generalisation or does it show that people from the poorer parts of society have less opportunity.

Money has had nothing to do with my kids education and I dare say may others. It's about attitude. Only a desire to better ones self or want ones children to do better than you will have the right effect.

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 11 Oct 16 3.39pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

As I've said before my eldest goes to grammar but I'm against them.

Is it fair that above average intelligence kids from poorer socio-economic backgrounds miss out on grammar schools because their parents can't afford to tutor them?

Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 3.10pm)

If they are of above average intelligence, they won't need tutoring.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

And why are standards so poor in many state schools?

Because successive governments have failed to invest sufficiently in education for decades. It might also have something to do with stupid left wing ideas about how children should be taught.

How ever high standards were there would still be a bottom and a top and lots of people moaning.

 

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