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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 1.43pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
An Salesman? Never heard of her. Rather than taking potshots, why don't you engage in the grammar school debate. Cheap even by your standards. Both my kids went to grammar schools and I'm very happy about that. I went to a s***hole of a comprehensive and I vowed not to let them share that experience. Is everyone equal? No. Are politicians who send their kids to paid schools and then condemn the system hypocrites? Oh yes.
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 11 Oct 16 3.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
I agree 100%, but when it's a Tory apparently they are just too rich to know what it is like for the ordinary man/woman For me, Grammar schools are a bit like private medicine. Used correctly it frees resources for the rest of us and it is in affect a voluntary tax on the wealthy. The rub of course is ensuring that they are used correctly Do you mean grammar schools or private schools? Grammar schools are state selective schools. They are definitely not a tax on the wealthy. Quite the opposite as poor students make up significantly less % of pupils at grammar schools than they do at standard state schools. It ends up being an effective tax break for the wealthy as it means they don't need to send their children to private schools. There are some on the Right who obviously have less affinity with the poor than others. And there are some whose policy stances are worse for the poor than others. Where policies are obviously damaging to the poor then it isn't surprising that if imposed by an apparently rich individual the claim that they don't understand the plight of the ordinary man sticks. Edited by OknotOK (11 Oct 2016 3.07pm)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 3.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Cheap even by your standards. Both my kids went to grammar schools and I'm very happy about that. I went to a s***hole of a comprehensive and I vowed not to let them share that experience. Is everyone equal? No. Are politicians who send their kids to paid schools and then condemn the system hypocrites? Oh yes. As I've said before my eldest goes to grammar but I'm against them. Is it fair that above average intelligence kids from poorer socio-economic backgrounds miss out on grammar schools because their parents can't afford to tutor them? Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 3.10pm)
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We are goin up! Coulsdon 11 Oct 16 3.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Cheap even by your standards. Both my kids went to grammar schools and I'm very happy about that. I went to a s***hole of a comprehensive and I vowed not to let them share that experience. Is everyone equal? No. Are politicians who send their kids to paid schools and then condemn the system hypocrites? Oh yes.
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 3.21pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
As I've said before my eldest goes to grammar but I'm against them. m?Is it fair that above average intelligence kids from poorer socio-economic backgrounds miss out on grammar schools because their parents can't afford to tutor the Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 3.10pm) This is just another socialist generalisation. My kids were not tutored. They just practiced exam papers for the 11 plus.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 3.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This is just another socialist generalisation. My kids were not tutored. They just practiced exam papers for the 11 plus. Is an average of only 3% of kids in grammars on free school meals a socialist generalisation or does it show that people from the poorer parts of society have less opportunity.
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
It is difficult to imagine a system that was perfect. There is an issue with selective schools trying to present favourable exam statistics by moving the goal posts for sixth form entry and therefore only excepting top performers. Elitism does tend to spit you out if you fall below it's current standards but equally one cannot reasonably rely on the state system to educate your children when standards are so poor in many state schools.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 3.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is difficult to imagine a system that was perfect. There is an issue with selective schools trying to present favourable exam statistics by moving the goal posts for sixth form entry and therefore only excepting top performers. Elitism does tend to spit you out if you fall below it's current standards but equally one cannot reasonably rely on the state system to educate your children when standards are so poor in many state schools. And why are standards so poor in many state schools?
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Oct 16 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
And why are standards so poor in many state schools? Tory Cunds of course.
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Is an average of only 3% of kids in grammars on free school meals a socialist generalisation or does it show that people from the poorer parts of society have less opportunity. Money has had nothing to do with my kids education and I dare say may others. It's about attitude. Only a desire to better ones self or want ones children to do better than you will have the right effect.
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chris123 hove actually 11 Oct 16 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
As I've said before my eldest goes to grammar but I'm against them. Is it fair that above average intelligence kids from poorer socio-economic backgrounds miss out on grammar schools because their parents can't afford to tutor them? Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 3.10pm) If they are of above average intelligence, they won't need tutoring.
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 3.53pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
And why are standards so poor in many state schools? Because successive governments have failed to invest sufficiently in education for decades. It might also have something to do with stupid left wing ideas about how children should be taught. How ever high standards were there would still be a bottom and a top and lots of people moaning.
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