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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Apr 15 3.04pm
Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 1.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 8.14am Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter. You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what. We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'? Simple question - would you use the 'n' word? You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words. With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found. Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it. Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting. Here we go again. The issue is that you and the rest of the lefty gang think it is a punishable crime for UKIP members to use words that could be construed as homophobic and yet you yourself use words that could be construed as homophobic but that's ok because of 'context' and its 'banter'. It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense. Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm) That is, frankly, ridiculous. Why on earth do I have to use certain words in everyday speech down somewhere like Old Compton Street to strangers and, thus, by doing so be overtly obnoxious, threatening and nasty, just because I have used the same word in a totally benign and friendly context elsewhere? It has to be more than just because 'you say so'. A UKIP prospective MP, or any politician for that matter, whether they know it or not is addressing Joe Public everytime they open up their gob so can't complain if they are pulled up on any unsavoury verbals. And just because some civilian may have used the same words at another time is no kind of defence, is it? Though you seem to think it is. Strange. You can't have it both ways and retain credibility. If you are appalled by UKIP candidates using words you seem to be offensive to gays (you have taken great delight in pointing this out on here the UKIP 'sort') and then use similar words yourself, you are a hypocrite. You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael. Only if you reject how language works and operates. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'?

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found.

Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it.

Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting.

Here we go again. The issue is that you and the rest of the lefty gang think it is a punishable crime for UKIP members to use words that could be construed as homophobic and yet you yourself use words that could be construed as homophobic but that's ok because of 'context' and its 'banter'.

It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense.

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That is, frankly, ridiculous. Why on earth do I have to use certain words in everyday speech down somewhere like Old Compton Street to strangers and, thus, by doing so be overtly obnoxious, threatening and nasty, just because I have used the same word in a totally benign and friendly context elsewhere?

It has to be more than just because 'you say so'.

A UKIP prospective MP, or any politician for that matter, whether they know it or not is addressing Joe Public everytime they open up their gob so can't complain if they are pulled up on any unsavoury verbals. And just because some civilian may have used the same words at another time is no kind of defence, is it? Though you seem to think it is. Strange.

You can't have it both ways and retain credibility.

If you are appalled by UKIP candidates using words you seem to be offensive to gays (you have taken great delight in pointing this out on here the UKIP 'sort') and then use similar words yourself, you are a hypocrite.

You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael.

Only if you reject how language works and operates.

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TheJudge 29 Apr 15 4.23pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Apr 2015 2.58pm Quote TheJudge at 29 Apr 2015 2.09pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Apr 2015 12.38pm Quote TheJudge at 29 Apr 2015 12.16pm This really is a tiresome argument. Not all Germans were Nazis, not all Catholics were IRA, not all coppers are......... you get it ? The fact is that when a terrorist group or security threat is identified as coming from a particular group then it will inevitably cast suspicion, fairly or unfairly on that group. This is about the reality of life not fairy tales. No one and I mean no one thinks all Muslims are terrorists but suspicion, and at worst paranoia, will result. It is no wonder then that many people are concerned with the number of Muslims entering this country especially as we have already seen radicalism and terrorism in this country. I baffles me as to why some people cannot acknowledge this simple reality. In WW2 Germans and Italians were interned. I'm sure that the vast majority, if not all, were no threat but hindsight is a wonderful thing and had the Germans invaded Britain, I wonder what side those immigrants would have taken then ? So what you're saying, is that its ok, because people are too ignorant to actually acknowledge the facts or go looking for them. That rather than understanding a problem its better to just denigrate 4.4% of the UK population, and increasingly alienate them as a result. I think it is you that doesn't understand reality. Religion is a divisive mechanism and it will succeed in doing what it sets out to do. I do not put any faith in people of faith to do what is rational. If you can base your life around what you think God wants, then I cannot trust you be rational in the real world. Simple as that. Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.09pm) Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.10pm) Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.10pm) Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.11pm) Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.12pm) I don't generally think its rational to assume things about individuals, based on wildly distorted images in the media. As such I expect Muslims to be like the ones I've met and known, rather than the tabloid report. I generally reject hyperbole, hysteria and sweeping generalisations, it would be irrational to do otherwise. I also think most people who are religious, don't actually base their life around what 'god' wants anyhow, whether they're Christian or Muslim or Hindu (presumably more complex, if your god in question is a Monkey god). Usually people justify what they want by using religion, rather than being devout. I accept all of that but we are not talking about the majority who may well, as you say, interpret their faith in a way that suits them rather than the other way around, we are talking about a minority who use a version of their belief to essentially control others and another group who might actually be stupid enough to believe that rhetoric. We already have plenty of examples of people who have been turned toward radicalism and many of those were the kind of people who neither their friends or family would have suspected were capable of such attitudes. I like your attitude toward your fellow human being and if everyone had the same attitude then we would have endless peace. Unfortunately, that is not the case. I am concerned with those who wish us harm to fulfill their own self serving agendas.
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This really is a tiresome argument.
Not all Germans were Nazis, not all Catholics were IRA, not all coppers are......... you get it ?
The fact is that when a terrorist group or security threat is identified as coming from a particular group then it will inevitably cast suspicion, fairly or unfairly on that group. This is about the reality of life not fairy tales. No one and I mean no one thinks all Muslims are terrorists but suspicion, and at worst paranoia, will result.
It is no wonder then that many people are concerned with the number of Muslims entering this country especially as we have already seen radicalism and terrorism in this country.
I baffles me as to why some people cannot acknowledge this simple reality.
In WW2 Germans and Italians were interned. I'm sure that the vast majority, if not all, were no threat but hindsight is a wonderful thing and had the Germans invaded Britain, I wonder what side those immigrants would have taken then ?

So what you're saying, is that its ok, because people are too ignorant to actually acknowledge the facts or go looking for them. That rather than understanding a problem its better to just denigrate 4.4% of the UK population, and increasingly alienate them as a result.

I think it is you that doesn't understand reality.

Religion is a divisive mechanism and it will succeed in doing what it sets out to do. I do not put any faith in people of faith to do what is rational. If you can base your life around what you think God wants, then I cannot trust you be rational in the real world. Simple as that.

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I don't generally think its rational to assume things about individuals, based on wildly distorted images in the media. As such I expect Muslims to be like the ones I've met and known, rather than the tabloid report.

I generally reject hyperbole, hysteria and sweeping generalisations, it would be irrational to do otherwise.

I also think most people who are religious, don't actually base their life around what 'god' wants anyhow, whether they're Christian or Muslim or Hindu (presumably more complex, if your god in question is a Monkey god).

Usually people justify what they want by using religion, rather than being devout.

I accept all of that but we are not talking about the majority who may well, as you say, interpret their faith in a way that suits them rather than the other way around, we are talking about a minority who use a version of their belief to essentially control others and another group who might actually be stupid enough to believe that rhetoric.
We already have plenty of examples of people who have been turned toward radicalism and many of those were the kind of people who neither their friends or family would have suspected were capable of such attitudes.
I like your attitude toward your fellow human being and if everyone had the same attitude then we would have endless peace. Unfortunately, that is not the case. I am concerned with those who wish us harm to fulfill their own self serving agendas.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Apr 15 4.41pm
Quote TheJudge at 29 Apr 2015 4.23pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Apr 2015 2.58pm Quote TheJudge at 29 Apr 2015 2.09pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Apr 2015 12.38pm Quote TheJudge at 29 Apr 2015 12.16pm This really is a tiresome argument. Not all Germans were Nazis, not all Catholics were IRA, not all coppers are......... you get it ? The fact is that when a terrorist group or security threat is identified as coming from a particular group then it will inevitably cast suspicion, fairly or unfairly on that group. This is about the reality of life not fairy tales. No one and I mean no one thinks all Muslims are terrorists but suspicion, and at worst paranoia, will result. It is no wonder then that many people are concerned with the number of Muslims entering this country especially as we have already seen radicalism and terrorism in this country. I baffles me as to why some people cannot acknowledge this simple reality. In WW2 Germans and Italians were interned. I'm sure that the vast majority, if not all, were no threat but hindsight is a wonderful thing and had the Germans invaded Britain, I wonder what side those immigrants would have taken then ? So what you're saying, is that its ok, because people are too ignorant to actually acknowledge the facts or go looking for them. That rather than understanding a problem its better to just denigrate 4.4% of the UK population, and increasingly alienate them as a result. I think it is you that doesn't understand reality. Religion is a divisive mechanism and it will succeed in doing what it sets out to do. I do not put any faith in people of faith to do what is rational. If you can base your life around what you think God wants, then I cannot trust you be rational in the real world. Simple as that. Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.09pm) Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.10pm) Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.10pm) Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.11pm) Edited by TheJudge (29 Apr 2015 2.12pm) I don't generally think its rational to assume things about individuals, based on wildly distorted images in the media. As such I expect Muslims to be like the ones I've met and known, rather than the tabloid report. I generally reject hyperbole, hysteria and sweeping generalisations, it would be irrational to do otherwise. I also think most people who are religious, don't actually base their life around what 'god' wants anyhow, whether they're Christian or Muslim or Hindu (presumably more complex, if your god in question is a Monkey god). Usually people justify what they want by using religion, rather than being devout. I accept all of that but we are not talking about the majority who may well, as you say, interpret their faith in a way that suits them rather than the other way around, we are talking about a minority who use a version of their belief to essentially control others and another group who might actually be stupid enough to believe that rhetoric. We already have plenty of examples of people who have been turned toward radicalism and many of those were the kind of people who neither their friends or family would have suspected were capable of such attitudes. I like your attitude toward your fellow human being and if everyone had the same attitude then we would have endless peace. Unfortunately, that is not the case. I am concerned with those who wish us harm to fulfill their own self serving agendas. Me too, and the best way of dealing with that is to focus on those who cause harm, rather than alienating whole swarths of a community. Same as we would do with any criminal or criminal network. I'm not sure that the whole regarding all muslims as suspects doesn't end up alienating people within those communities, resulting in them becoming radicalised. Groups like the EDL do more damage by their actions, because it causes conflict between a radical group (white far right t***s) and the muslim community, ultimately such confrontations and aggression result in people wanting to get their own back, which invariably puts them into more 'radical circles'. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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I think it is you that doesn't understand reality.

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I generally reject hyperbole, hysteria and sweeping generalisations, it would be irrational to do otherwise.

Usually people justify what they want by using religion, rather than being devout.

I accept all of that but we are not talking about the majority who may well, as you say, interpret their faith in a way that suits them rather than the other way around, we are talking about a minority who use a version of their belief to essentially control others and another group who might actually be stupid enough to believe that rhetoric.
We already have plenty of examples of people who have been turned toward radicalism and many of those were the kind of people who neither their friends or family would have suspected were capable of such attitudes.
I like your attitude toward your fellow human being and if everyone had the same attitude then we would have endless peace. Unfortunately, that is not the case. I am concerned with those who wish us harm to fulfill their own self serving agendas.

Me too, and the best way of dealing with that is to focus on those who cause harm, rather than alienating whole swarths of a community. Same as we would do with any criminal or criminal network.

I'm not sure that the whole regarding all muslims as suspects doesn't end up alienating people within those communities, resulting in them becoming radicalised. Groups like the EDL do more damage by their actions, because it causes conflict between a radical group (white far right t***s) and the muslim community, ultimately such confrontations and aggression result in people wanting to get their own back, which invariably puts them into more 'radical circles'.

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Hoof Hearted 29 Apr 15 4.52pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Apr 2015 2.18pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 1.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 8.14am Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter. You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what. We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'? Simple question - would you use the 'n' word? You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words. With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found. Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it. Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting. Here we go again. The issue is that you and the rest of the lefty gang think it is a punishable crime for UKIP members to use words that could be construed as homophobic and yet you yourself use words that could be construed as homophobic but that's ok because of 'context' and its 'banter'. It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense. Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm) I read this as Blah blah bulls*tnonsese argument in reduction blah rhetorical cockwash blah blah you should be blah hypocrite blah.. but no actual point. As if that was an argument that justified referring to gay people on facebook as arse bandits. And then seem to imply that's somehow the same as banter among friends. Please reply when you can actually defend your point, rather than resorting to strawman arguments aimed at the poster, rather than the issue. Fcking hell Jamie... you've got some front! It's a toss up between you and legal every day as to who has posted the most "rhetorical cockwash" on every thread....LOL Edited by Hoof Hearted (29 Apr 2015 4.53pm)
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Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it.

It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense.

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I read this as

Blah blah bulls**tnonsese argument in reduction blah rhetorical cockwash blah blah you should be blah hypocrite blah.. but no actual point.

As if that was an argument that justified referring to gay people on facebook as arse bandits. And then seem to imply that's somehow the same as banter among friends.

Please reply when you can actually defend your point, rather than resorting to strawman arguments aimed at the poster, rather than the issue.

F*cking hell Jamie... you've got some front!

It's a toss up between you and legal every day as to who has posted the most "rhetorical cockwash" on every thread....LOL

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Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 2.44pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 1.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 8.14am Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter. You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what. We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'? Simple question - would you use the 'n' word? You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words. With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found. Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it. No Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting. Here we go again. The issue is that you and the rest of the lefty gang think it is a punishable crime for UKIP members to use words that could be construed as homophobic and yet you yourself use words that could be construed as homophobic but that's ok because of 'context' and its 'banter'. It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense. Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm) That is, frankly, ridiculous. Why on earth do I have to use certain words in everyday speech down somewhere like Old Compton Street to strangers and, thus, by doing so be overtly obnoxious, threatening and nasty, just because I have used the same word in a totally benign and friendly context elsewhere? It has to be more than just because 'you say so'. A UKIP prospective MP, or any politician for that matter, whether they know it or not is addressing Joe Public everytime they open up their gob so can't complain if they are pulled up on any unsavoury verbals. And just because some civilian may have used the same words at another time is no kind of defence, is it? Though you seem to think it is. Strange. You can't have it both ways and retain credibility. If you are appalled by UKIP candidates using words you seem to be offensive to gays (you have taken great delight in pointing this out on here the UKIP 'sort') and then use similar words yourself, you are a hypocrite. You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael. In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy. Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously. Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm) Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged. However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'. Why? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it.
No
Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting.

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It has to be more than just because 'you say so'.

You can't have it both ways and retain credibility.

You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael.

In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy.

Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously.

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Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged.

However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'.

Why?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 4.59pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 2.44pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 1.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 8.14am Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter. You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what. We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'? Simple question - would you use the 'n' word? You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words. With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found. Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it. No Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting. Here we go again. The issue is that you and the rest of the lefty gang think it is a punishable crime for UKIP members to use words that could be construed as homophobic and yet you yourself use words that could be construed as homophobic but that's ok because of 'context' and its 'banter'. It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense. Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm) That is, frankly, ridiculous. Why on earth do I have to use certain words in everyday speech down somewhere like Old Compton Street to strangers and, thus, by doing so be overtly obnoxious, threatening and nasty, just because I have used the same word in a totally benign and friendly context elsewhere? It has to be more than just because 'you say so'. A UKIP prospective MP, or any politician for that matter, whether they know it or not is addressing Joe Public everytime they open up their gob so can't complain if they are pulled up on any unsavoury verbals. And just because some civilian may have used the same words at another time is no kind of defence, is it? Though you seem to think it is. Strange. You can't have it both ways and retain credibility. If you are appalled by UKIP candidates using words you seem to be offensive to gays (you have taken great delight in pointing this out on here the UKIP 'sort') and then use similar words yourself, you are a hypocrite. You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael. In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy. Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously. Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm) Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged. However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'. Why? But much in the same way, you've used the word 'bender' countless times over the last couple of pages and think that's fine, but you're angry with someone else for the hypocritical context in which they use the term. Even though you deny that 'context' is a factor. Unless you're angry with yourself too? Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm)
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Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm)

It has to be more than just because 'you say so'.

You can't have it both ways and retain credibility.

You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael.

In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy.

Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously.

Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm)

Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged.

However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'.

Why?

But much in the same way, you've used the word 'bender' countless times over the last couple of pages and think that's fine, but you're angry with someone else for the hypocritical context in which they use the term. Even though you deny that 'context' is a factor. Unless you're angry with yourself too?

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Incase you hadn't noticed this "topic" has now run for a full year,maybe it would be a good idea if a new "discussion" subject took its place as it is no longer really about UKIP,call it a draw lads it's getting boring.
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Incase you hadn't noticed this "topic" has now run for a full year,maybe it would be a good idea if a new "discussion" subject took its place as it is no longer really about UKIP,call it a draw lads it's getting boring.

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Quote imbored at 29 Apr 2015 5.11pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 4.59pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 2.44pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 1.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 8.14am Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter. You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what. We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'? Simple question - would you use the 'n' word? You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words. With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found. Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it. No Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting. Here we go again. The issue is that you and the rest of the lefty gang think it is a punishable crime for UKIP members to use words that could be construed as homophobic and yet you yourself use words that could be construed as homophobic but that's ok because of 'context' and its 'banter'. It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense. Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm) That is, frankly, ridiculous. Why on earth do I have to use certain words in everyday speech down somewhere like Old Compton Street to strangers and, thus, by doing so be overtly obnoxious, threatening and nasty, just because I have used the same word in a totally benign and friendly context elsewhere? It has to be more than just because 'you say so'. A UKIP prospective MP, or any politician for that matter, whether they know it or not is addressing Joe Public everytime they open up their gob so can't complain if they are pulled up on any unsavoury verbals. And just because some civilian may have used the same words at another time is no kind of defence, is it? Though you seem to think it is. Strange. You can't have it both ways and retain credibility. If you are appalled by UKIP candidates using words you seem to be offensive to gays (you have taken great delight in pointing this out on here the UKIP 'sort') and then use similar words yourself, you are a hypocrite. You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael. In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy. Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously. Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm) Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged. However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'. Why? But much in the same way, you've used the word 'bender' countless times over the last couple of pages and think that's fine, but you're angry with someone else for the hypocritical context in which they use the term. Even though you deny that 'context' is a factor. Unless you're angry with yourself too? Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm) If you called the greens benders, that's your prerogative, but you are not a campaigning prospective MP or a representative of a political party. If Natalie Bennett publicly called someone a bender it would matter as she is representing her party and under public scrutiny.
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Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm)

It has to be more than just because 'you say so'.

You can't have it both ways and retain credibility.

You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael.

In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy.

Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously.

Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm)

Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged.

However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'.

Why?

Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm)

If you called the greens benders, that's your prerogative, but you are not a campaigning prospective MP or a representative of a political party. If Natalie Bennett publicly called someone a bender it would matter as she is representing her party and under public scrutiny.

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Apr 15 5.35pm
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Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm)

It has to be more than just because 'you say so'.

You can't have it both ways and retain credibility.

You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael.

In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy.

Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously.

Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm)

Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged.

However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'.

Why?

Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm)

The big difference is that I don't profess for a minute that I am holier than thou on these matters.

You lot do.

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Apr 15 5.40pm
Quote nickgusset at 29 Apr 2015 5.29pm Quote imbored at 29 Apr 2015 5.11pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 4.59pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 2.44pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 1.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 8.14am Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter. You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what. We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'? Simple question - would you use the 'n' word? You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words. With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found. Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it. No Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting. Here we go again. The issue is that you and the rest of the lefty gang think it is a punishable crime for UKIP members to use words that could be construed as homophobic and yet you yourself use words that could be construed as homophobic but that's ok because of 'context' and its 'banter'. It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense. Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm) That is, frankly, ridiculous. Why on earth do I have to use certain words in everyday speech down somewhere like Old Compton Street to strangers and, thus, by doing so be overtly obnoxious, threatening and nasty, just because I have used the same word in a totally benign and friendly context elsewhere? It has to be more than just because 'you say so'. A UKIP prospective MP, or any politician for that matter, whether they know it or not is addressing Joe Public everytime they open up their gob so can't complain if they are pulled up on any unsavoury verbals. And just because some civilian may have used the same words at another time is no kind of defence, is it? Though you seem to think it is. Strange. You can't have it both ways and retain credibility. If you are appalled by UKIP candidates using words you seem to be offensive to gays (you have taken great delight in pointing this out on here the UKIP 'sort') and then use similar words yourself, you are a hypocrite. You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael. In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy. Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously. Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm) Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged. However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'. Why? But much in the same way, you've used the word 'bender' countless times over the last couple of pages and think that's fine, but you're angry with someone else for the hypocritical context in which they use the term. Even though you deny that 'context' is a factor. Unless you're angry with yourself too? Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm) If you called the greens benders, that's your prerogative, but you are not a campaigning prospective MP or a representative of a political party. If Natalie Bennett publicly called someone a bender it would matter as she is representing her party and under public scrutiny. Deflection. You spineless rat. You come across as having no scruples. Pathetic. I pity you. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm)

It has to be more than just because 'you say so'.

You can't have it both ways and retain credibility.

You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael.

In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy.

Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously.

Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm)

Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged.

However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'.

Why?

Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm)

Deflection. You spineless rat.

You come across as having no scruples. Pathetic.

I pity you.

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Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 5.35pm Quote imbored at 29 Apr 2015 5.11pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 4.59pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 2.44pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 1.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 8.14am Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter. You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what. We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'? Simple question - would you use the 'n' word? You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words. With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found. Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it. No Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting. Here we go again. The issue is that you and the rest of the lefty gang think it is a punishable crime for UKIP members to use words that could be construed as homophobic and yet you yourself use words that could be construed as homophobic but that's ok because of 'context' and its 'banter'. It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense. Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm) That is, frankly, ridiculous. Why on earth do I have to use certain words in everyday speech down somewhere like Old Compton Street to strangers and, thus, by doing so be overtly obnoxious, threatening and nasty, just because I have used the same word in a totally benign and friendly context elsewhere? It has to be more than just because 'you say so'. A UKIP prospective MP, or any politician for that matter, whether they know it or not is addressing Joe Public everytime they open up their gob so can't complain if they are pulled up on any unsavoury verbals. And just because some civilian may have used the same words at another time is no kind of defence, is it? Though you seem to think it is. Strange. You can't have it both ways and retain credibility. If you are appalled by UKIP candidates using words you seem to be offensive to gays (you have taken great delight in pointing this out on here the UKIP 'sort') and then use similar words yourself, you are a hypocrite. You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael. In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy. Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously. Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm) Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged. However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'. Why? But much in the same way, you've used the word 'bender' countless times over the last couple of pages and think that's fine, but you're angry with someone else for the hypocritical context in which they use the term. Even though you deny that 'context' is a factor. Unless you're angry with yourself too? Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm) The big difference is that I don't profess for a minute that I am holier than thou on these matters. You lot do. No. You say that we say we are, but this is complete bs.
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Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm)

It has to be more than just because 'you say so'.

You can't have it both ways and retain credibility.

You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael.

In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy.

Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously.

Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm)

Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged.

However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'.

Why?

Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm)

The big difference is that I don't profess for a minute that I am holier than thou on these matters.

You lot do.

No. You say that we say we are, but this is complete bs.

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Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 5.40pm Quote nickgusset at 29 Apr 2015 5.29pm Quote imbored at 29 Apr 2015 5.11pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 4.59pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 2.44pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.37pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 1.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 29 Apr 2015 8.14am Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter. You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what. We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'? Simple question - would you use the 'n' word? You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words. With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found. Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it. No Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting. Here we go again. The issue is that you and the rest of the lefty gang think it is a punishable crime for UKIP members to use words that could be construed as homophobic and yet you yourself use words that could be construed as homophobic but that's ok because of 'context' and its 'banter'. It's hypocrisy Michael. Either you reject political correctness and use the words you have used freely & without shame, or you don't use them at all. No half measures. Your message is contradictory and nonsense. Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm) That is, frankly, ridiculous. Why on earth do I have to use certain words in everyday speech down somewhere like Old Compton Street to strangers and, thus, by doing so be overtly obnoxious, threatening and nasty, just because I have used the same word in a totally benign and friendly context elsewhere? It has to be more than just because 'you say so'. A UKIP prospective MP, or any politician for that matter, whether they know it or not is addressing Joe Public everytime they open up their gob so can't complain if they are pulled up on any unsavoury verbals. And just because some civilian may have used the same words at another time is no kind of defence, is it? Though you seem to think it is. Strange. You can't have it both ways and retain credibility. If you are appalled by UKIP candidates using words you seem to be offensive to gays (you have taken great delight in pointing this out on here the UKIP 'sort') and then use similar words yourself, you are a hypocrite. You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael. In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy. Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously. Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm) Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged. However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'. Why? But much in the same way, you've used the word 'bender' countless times over the last couple of pages and think that's fine, but you're angry with someone else for the hypocritical context in which they use the term. Even though you deny that 'context' is a factor. Unless you're angry with yourself too? Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm) If you called the greens benders, that's your prerogative, but you are not a campaigning prospective MP or a representative of a political party. If Natalie Bennett publicly called someone a bender it would matter as she is representing her party and under public scrutiny. Deflection. You spineless rat. You come across as having no scruples. Pathetic. I pity you. You have no grasp of this debating lark. And for that reason I'm out. Thanks again for the pity, but it's not needed.
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Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

Edited by matt_himself (29 Apr 2015 1.04pm)

It has to be more than just because 'you say so'.

You can't have it both ways and retain credibility.

You understand this. You know this. But as you have been smoked out and have no defence, you have to keep going round in circles arguing the toss. It's sad really, Michael.

In that case , I'd better start using the words'fvck' 'cvnt' and 'sh1t' in front of my lovely old mum so I can't be accused of even more (false) hypocrisy.

Your argument is too weak to be taken seriously.

Edited by Kermit8 (29 Apr 2015 2.46pm)

Bollocks. If I called the Greens 'benders', you would be outraged.

However, it is ok for you to do so, apparently. Because it is in 'context'.

Why?

Edited by imbored (29 Apr 2015 5.12pm)

Deflection. You spineless rat.

You come across as having no scruples. Pathetic.

I pity you.

You have no grasp of this debating lark. And for that reason I'm out.
Thanks again for the pity, but it's not needed.

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