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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Jun 22 2.44pm

There are those very well educated in their fields, who come to a variety of different conclusions about how to classify the nature of Russia. It's pointless to go into really because people will just dismiss those that don't match the position they've already come to, and latch into those individuals and defintiions they are better aligned to. As already attested to by the language asued when commenting on positions.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jun 22 2.53pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Biden's audience is of like-minded people. He reminds me of Reagan in that you wonder who is actually running Government

Indeed.

Whoever those people are any results based businesses would have sacked them by now. However, the options for replacements are all kind of useless.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Jun 22 3.00pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Biden's audience is of like-minded people. He reminds me of Reagan in that you wonder who is actually running Government

He was pretty good in Game of Thrones though

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jun 22 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

There are a hell of a lot of people in the east and south of the Ukraine who want to be Russian.

I think most of us, especially me, were not aware of the internal politics of the Ukraine before this war started. However, a lot of today's problems seems to relate back to 2014 and the very different stances to those events from the west and Russia's point of view.

It is the inevitable failure of the political process....and Obama/Biden were the ones in power that that conflict of interest was not properly concluded. I have many suspicions for why that is but only those in intelligence services of each side probably know the full stories.

But to go back to the original starting sentence the nub of the issue is the cultural allegiances (because ethnically they are basically the same) that result in the differences leading to war here.

It brings the question of who really holds the rights to land. Is it the state or is it the people living on it. Personally I recognise that it's not an 'all or nothing' answer and this problem is found all over the world from Israel to Kashmir to the Kurds to Tibet.

Right is might usually answers that question.....that doesn't mean the answer is fair or what I agree with but there is never an answer that is uncontested....because that's the real world.

And the real world isn't one many live in within their heads.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2022 4.20pm)

 


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W12 10 Jun 22 5.45pm

From the horses mouth so to speak:

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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jun 22 6.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

From the horses mouth so to speak:

[Link]

Both sides have done the interviewing of pows and I don't like it.

No matter who does it can never be said to be free of coercion and both the guy who commits war crimes and the innocent guy are going to basically say whatever they think....those who hold power over them want to hear.

I've seen the videos he refers to and they made me very very angry, but then again, I think most of what goes on in war would make most of us very angry if we witnessed it and we don't get to see it.

Any murders of the surrendered or the civilian are a war crime, no matter who does it, regardless of which side it is.....The fact that there are plenty of people willing to turn a blind eye to that shows you that under the extreme conditions those people are out there. You never really know who you are deep down until it becomes extreme around you.

I remember my brother telling me that before he was stationed in Ireland his unit were shown videos of what the IRA had done to British soldiers to ensure that they understood what some wanted for them.

Always tricky when putting soldiers into what are more guarding and policing roles.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2022 6.09pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Jun 22 6.08pm

Originally posted by W12

From the horses mouth so to speak:

A cuffed man rightly in fear of his life being used in a propoganda piece by one of only a handful Western 'journalists' routinely used by Russia. Another recent video of his 'Arriving in Liberated Mariupol!!!'...

An interrogation by pro-Kremlin YouTuber is not 'straight from the horses mouth'. There is a reason that people haven't posted videos of POWs on here from either side as if what they say gives us insights into anything. Terrified people usually say what you want them to say.


“Anything my brother says in that video is entirely fictitious as he’s only saying it to prevent worse treatment or a bullet,” Mr Aslin’s brother Nathan Wood

Mr Phillips has previously posted videos to his YouTube channel falsely claiming that the Bucha massacre was staged and that Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis (surprise surprise).

Mr Aslin’s sister, Shannon Tinegate, 27, added that her brother was “clearly being coerced” during the video interview.


In an address to Boris Johnson at Prime Minister’s Questions, Robert Jenrick, Mr Aslin’s local MP in his hometown of Newark, Nottinghamshire, raised the family’s plight and said under Parliamentary privilege that Mr Phillips risked being prosecuted, accusing him of a “flagrant breach” of the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war.

It seems that you wish to again solely push Russia's perspective and are happy if its a terrified Brit (who has both fought and lived in Ukraine prior) under threat of death helping you achieve that. Terrible.

Edited by BlueJay (10 Jun 2022 6.47pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 10 Jun 22 6.15pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by W12

From the horses mouth so to speak:

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Graham Phillips worked for the Russian state-owned television networks Russia Today (2013–2014) and Zvezda (2014–2015). From March 2022 he has covered the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine from the Russian side, initially from the Chernihiv area of Ukraine, and then from Mariupol on his YouTube channel. Phillips has been described as "pro-Russia", and "pro-Kremlin". In 2015, he was reportedly awarded a medal by the Border Service, a branch of FSB, Russia's primary security service. Phillips has further been awarded several medals by the separatist puppet ‘governments’ of Donbas, for his journalistic work, including a II degree Medal of Merit by the head of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic, Igor Plotnitsky.

Yet you, as usual, in your Russia-apologist mode, just pump out his propaganda.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jun 22 6.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I obviously want British pows of whichever side they have fought on sent back home.

I partly blame Liz Truss and media for practically encouraging this....it went against all government policy before that.

These three pows have been sentenced to death but....while it could happen....I see them as more valuable to the Russians/separatists alive.

Though from what I've heard the Russians hold far more Ukrainians than vice versa...what I've heard is up to ten to one, and apparently the Ukrainians have been more keen to kill prisoners....which is basically stupid and self harming if it's true.

So they are more important to the Russians in terms of British policy.....though for one I don't doubt for one moment that these three guys hold even a tenth of the consideration that an Iranian woman with a British passports holds to the kind of people who hold power in the British establishment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2022 6.32pm)

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 10 Jun 22 6.44pm Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Originally posted by W12

From the horses mouth so to speak:

[Link]

Quite unbelievable you'd post this as some kind of evidence, Aiden Aslin (CossackGundi) is someone I mentioned here very early on in this conflict.
Its clear as day he is trying to save his own life.
He fought the Russians in Mariupol for something like 50 days until himself and his fellow soldiers were forced to surrender due to lack of food and ammunition - others managed to break out and head to the steel plant.

He is a resident of Ukraine and has been a member of its armed forces for close to 5 years, he is not a mercenary.

You f***ing disgust me with this one.


Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Jun 2022 6.59pm)

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 10 Jun 22 6.56pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

The interviewer strikes me as an utter c-unit, exploiting a man in fear for his life.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Jun 22 7.08pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

The interviewer strikes me as an utter c-unit, exploiting a man in fear for his life.

He's a good example of what aspects of yourself you have to trade in, to get to where he is mentally and politically. He's either brainwashed, compromised or exceptionally well paid, because in making this video he's unlikely to return 'home' in a hurry.

Edited by BlueJay (10 Jun 2022 7.21pm)

 

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