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 Rubin  25 Jun 16 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
Daniel Hannan isnt even for minimal immigration and wants to remain in the single market, meaning that we'll still likely have to allow freedom of movement. Yet he's still against the EU. Not everyone voted to leave based on immigration. Anyone in their right mind wouldn't object to staying in the single market.
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I don't remember Remain ever claiming staying in the EU was going to solve the housing crisis and nor do you but I do certainly remember 'Leave' on here and out there claiming a vote to 'exit' would significantly help. I wanted to know from you how that can be when our population is going to be over 70mill by 2030 and with the oncoming economic slowdown to be brought on by Brexit? Well? Any silence on this matter will be taken as a 'fair cop, guv' Michael, poor answer. What about my question about Remain's vision for Britain following a remain vote? Where is the answer to that? Where has that 70 million figure come from? Is it factoring in emigration from the EU or is it, like most things you post, a figure plucked out of some half arsed propaganda you have half read and use as fact? And where did Leave claim it would help with the housing crisis? Please help me to answer your deflection question. Any silence will be interpreted as 'I haven't got a f***ing clue on I am wittering on about. Again'. Edited by matt_himself (25 Jun 2016 5.18pm)
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 5.22pm |
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"According to The Telegraph, Nigel Farage has reacted with fury after Vote Leave said it would exclude him from a cross-party committee which will negotiate Britain’s exit from the European Union. The UK Independence Party leader said that he would use his position as head of the UKIP group in the European Parliament – the biggest group of British MEPs – to ensure he had a say over the terms of British breakaway from the EU. Senior Vote Leave sources on Friday made clear that Mr Farage would not be invited to join the committee negotiating the Brexit. One told The Telegraph: Nigel Farage’s involvement has come to an end.”"
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 5.33pm |
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"Sky News has learnt that the billionaire tycoon Wilbur Ross, who is among seven bidders shortlisted for Tata Steel's UK business, has signalled that exiting the EU would diminish the prospects of him pursuing a takeover. A number of other prospective buyers are understood to have similar concerns about the potential impact of Brexit on global demand for steel, the robustness of new trade deals negotiated by the Government, and the ability to sell steel produced in the UK in the European single market. "Wilbur has been reasonably open that this deal is far less attractive if Brexit happens," said a person who has discussed the Tata Steel situation with Mr Ross. Sources said this weekend that Tata Steel, which employs roughly 11,000 people in the UK, had raised the possibility of putting its British business into some form of liquidation, although they added that no decisions had been taken." [Link]
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 25 Jun 16 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
A very interesting answer. Ta. Pity not one of the 25 top economists at the independent Institute of Fiscal Studies sees it like that. Maybe they were short-termists. Let's hope you are right for a few of them. Dark days ahead before that beam of light. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 5.00pm) Wasn't that the survey where 17 of them didn't even bother replying?
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 5.50pm |
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Tory Brexiter Daniel Hannan: Leave campaign never promised "radical decline" in immigration [Link]
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 25 Jun 16 5.52pm |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
I am quite optimistic about the future, once we have negotiated our exit & we continue to have freedom of movement across Europe, businesses agree new trade deals etc & with no EU interference we can look into freedom of movement among the main players of the Commonwealth (something Boris has supported for years) It could give us the best of both worlds. minimum wages NZ - .25 Edited by Ouzo Dan (25 Jun 2016 10.39am) Not sure I follow this - as others have pointed out, the Leave side have backtracked a bit from some of the figures they've used and on immigration numbers being reduced as a consequence of leaving. Also, not sure what your point about minimum wage is - these are all roughly the same when you take into account exchange rates.
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 25 Jun 16 5.55pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
These are my concerns. The German economy would have much more to lose by the EU falling apart at the seams than it would be sending a message to other nations that life outside of the EU is fine and dandy. Power in numbers. They will perhaps all be wiling to take a medium sized hit in exchange for a dramtic effect on us. If we lose access to the single market or have tarrifs coming out of our ears germany will become Europes trading centre, so it's win - win for them to give us a hard time. Obama has reaffirmed his view that we are at the back of the queue. It's a view that makes sense surely since we stop being the convenient european single market access point we once were. It's in their interest to have a strong EU and so we can expect a transfer of empahsis to those nations. Will it be the end of the world for us? No life goes on either way but i fear our economy will take a huge long term big hit and I also dont think its realistic to imagine that immigration will drops to tens of thousands either, so the entire reason for voting out for many could prove to be pointless. Nothing would make be happier than to me wrong and for us long term to have control of numbers coming in and a strong economy so of course i just that i'm wrong and it works out for future generations. Like everyone really i dont know what will happen, these are just my concerns. Edited by blackpalacefan (25 Jun 2016 1.58pm) These are all good points, as well as cheesing off a large chunk of our current trading partners inside the EU, we'll have to figure out where the money is going to come from to sort out all these trade deals. I thought we were already in austerity, but I guess we haven't seen anything yet.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 16 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Michael, the In voters have been bad losers. Incredibly condescending and bitter. Your (the remain group) message wasn't convincing and you don't understand people's concerns. I am an "in" voter and I am neither condescending or bitter. I am angry and ashamed. That the remain campaign did not make it's point terribly well is no reason at all why we should now leave the EU. It is far too important to be at the mercy of the success, or not, of the spin doctors. The leave campaign was much more vocal and politicised, but it told lies, lots of very big lies. Maybe people's concerns weren't well understood, but this was not a vote on people's concerns. We have general elections to do that. This was about our future, and that of our children and grandchildren. I accept that some genuinely believe that future will be better outside the EU. I think they are wrong, but respect that they genuinely believe that. Many though did NOT vote on that issue. They voted on their "concerns". Now the chickens are coming home to roost we are already seeing the tide of opinion shifting the other way. That tide will reach flood proportions if the inevitable recession takes hold and the austerity caused by the last one intensifies. Our parliament has a constitutional duty to stop that, even at the expense of their own political futures. I urge every remain supporter to contact their MP to demand a second referendum, and for a petition to be mounted for a debate on this asap. If the Scots can have a second one, so can we.
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by tome
Not sure I follow this - as others have pointed out, the Leave side have backtracked a bit from some of the figures they've used and on immigration numbers being reduced as a consequence of leaving. Also, not sure what your point about minimum wage is - these are all roughly the same when you take into account exchange rates. This. It's looking more and more like Johnson, Hannon and company are favouring EEA. This will mean that we will retain freedom of movement. It was never about slowing immigrantion for them anyway, they dont give a s*** about that. They dont have 'poor people concerns' they just used the poor. The People have been duped and will soon find out much to their own detriment.
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Kermit8  Hevon 25 Jun 16 6.19pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Michael, poor answer. What about my question about Remain's vision for Britain following a remain vote? Where is the answer to that? Where has that 70 million figure come from? Is it factoring in emigration from the EU or is it, like most things you post, a figure plucked out of some half arsed propaganda you have half read and use as fact? And where did Leave claim it would help with the housing crisis? Please help me to answer your deflection question. Any silence will be interpreted as 'I haven't got a f***ing clue on I am wittering on about. Again'. Edited by matt_himself (25 Jun 2016 5.18pm)
2mill plus from more old people Your reply was what I expected. Jittery and avoiding the point and being obtuse, as usual. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 6.23pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Wasn't that the survey where 17 of them didn't even bother replying? No only three stayed neutral. 22 thought leaving with have either a fairly big negative impact or a smaller one ( eleven a side)
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