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blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 4.32pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Maybe, maybe not. I don't think its easy to be that sure. Leave could turn out to be a disaster, as well. Thing of the EU is that there is good and bad, and same with leaving it, there can be good and bad. That's irrelivent, though, its about what the people want, not what is the right idea. I agree. Lots of people around here seem to think they have access to a crystal ball. They mistake their level of satisfaction with the result for political and economic insight. It could be that the end result is unsatisfactory to all. Namely a worse economy and immigration figures comparable to now.
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matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 4.43pm | |
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You don't have answers. Do you?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 4.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
In what significant and tangible way exactly say in ten years will you have been proven to be right do you think? And what will the upsides prove to be? Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 4.16pm) Still trading with the EU. We are German the car makers' biggest buyer. 20% of their cars. 2nd wealthiest European nation with cash to spend (ignore the short-term FTSE/pound fall to claim we're behind France cos we aint) Expansion of markets outside of the EU which are restricted. They crossed at 50% in 2008 and non-EU exports are at 45% but because of some very hefty tariffs in some cases we struggle to expand. Result? More jobs in a globalised world. A shift into more manufacturing entrepreneurial spirit. Less reliance on just services and financial services to be precise. Remember how damaged we were after the last financial crises and liquidity stopped? Restricted immigration. When the living wage comes into effect in 2020 and it amounts to another 100% or 200% more than people can earn in their own country, what do you think it's going to do to our own citizens' employment? A chance to get more on top of the housing crisis that's been going on since 2004 when the floodgates were opened. Were plans made to house the freedom of movement? No. Were they honest about the numbers coming? No. New Labour said ten's of thousands. We've seen hundreds of thousands every year. Less net earnings leaving the country and reducing the multiplier effect. There's talk of tax receipts in excess of benefit claims by EU migrants of 2 billion. What about wages leaving the country? Apparently the more rational EU London workers have laughed about the referendum and said "Well we're already here and if we left because everyone else did then so what. We're only here for the money and we don't blame Britain for voting out anyway." Some EU workers before the ref were saying immigration was out of control and needed reducing. More markets, more consumers, more demand, more prosperity, stronger economy, stronger nation, prouder nation. More room, more land unused, more options for the young to buy property, start a family and raise tax payers to balance out the ageing population instead of importing tax payers and ignoring the wages leaving the UK.
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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.51pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Michael, are you going to answer my previous question about Remain's vision and how it was going to solve the housing 'crisis' and all the stuff you were going on about a few pages ago? I don't remember Remain ever claiming staying in the EU was going to solve the housing crisis and nor do you but I do certainly remember 'Leave' on here and out there claiming a vote to 'exit' would significantly help. I wanted to know from you how that can be when our population is going to be over 70mill by 2030 and with the oncoming economic slowdown to be brought on by Brexit? Well? Any silence on this matter will be taken as a 'fair cop, guv'
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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Still trading with the EU. We are German the car makers' biggest buyer. 20% of their cars. 2nd wealthiest European nation with cash to spend (ignore the short-term FTSE/pound fall to claim we're behind France cos we aint) Expansion of markets outside of the EU which are restricted. They crossed at 50% in 2008 and non-EU exports are at 45% but because of some very hefty tariffs in some cases we struggle to expand. Result? More jobs in a globalised world. A shift into more manufacturing entrepreneurial spirit. Less reliance on just services and financial services to be precise. Remember how damaged we were after the last financial crises and liquidity stopped? Restricted immigration. When the living wage comes into effect in 2020 and it amounts to another 100% or 200% more than people can earn in their own country, what do you think it's going to do to our own citizens' employment? A chance to get more on top of the housing crisis that's been going on since 2004 when the floodgates were opened. Were plans made to house the freedom of movement? No. Were they honest about the numbers coming? No. New Labour said ten's of thousands. We've seen hundreds of thousands every year. Less net earnings leaving the country and reducing the multiplier effect. There's talk of tax receipts in excess of benefit claims by EU migrants of 2 billion. What about wages leaving the country? Apparently the more rational EU London workers have laughed about the referendum and said "Well we're already here and if we left because everyone else did then so what. We're only here for the money and we don't blame Britain for voting out anyway." Some EU workers before the ref were saying immigration was out of control and needed reducing. More markets, more consumers, more demand, more prosperity, stronger economy, stronger nation, prouder nation. More room, more land unused, more options for the young to buy property, start a family and raise tax payers to balance out the ageing population instead of importing tax payers and ignoring the wages leaving the UK. A very interesting answer. Ta. Pity not one of the 25 top economists at the independent Institute of Fiscal Studies sees it like that. Maybe they were short-termists. Let's hope you are right for a few of them. Dark days ahead before that beam of light. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 5.00pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 4.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I now live in Cornwall and I cannot believe some of the attitudes I hear here. They have voted leave by a big margin and just seem to think that the EU funding they have had doesn't matter. The response I get everywhere is "Don't worry, it will be OK". It won't be OK, unless something is done. I have given up trying to debate with the leavers. Now is not the time to bang my head against the doors of the stupid. Enough of them will come to their senses pretty soon and wish they had voted remain. There will always be a hard core of UKIP types, because, along with the poor, the stupid will always be among us, but they need to be marginalised, rather than engaged. They are beyond reason. Now is the time to galvanise our politicians and ensure they do their duty. This was not a decisive vote. Now people can see that the forecasted impact was all true, and that the leave campaign was built on lies, if we held another referendum I am 100% sure the result would now be very different. If the Scots can get a second referendum as a consequence of this then so can we! It will require our politicians to grow balls and accept the break up of the current parties, but that is also a very desirable outcome. That is where my attention is now focussed. That is where a difference can be made. The right wing nasties need to be cast off and the UK truly reclaimed. For all those middle of the road, normally silent, peace loving people, who are neither left nor right but just ordinary decent people. Maybe the Norwegian option can be invoked? 'Now people can see that the forecasted impact was all true, and that the leave campaign was built on lies, if we held another referendum I am 100% sure the result would now be very different.' What, are after 1 day of financial trading? What lies? Nigel Farage saying it was an error to sa the EU membership money would go on the NHS? He won't be in the govt, cabinet or treasury but what he said at the end was that it was available to spend on a number of things including the NHS.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I don't remember Remain ever claiming staying in the EU was going to solve the housing crisis and nor do you but I do certainly remember 'Leave' on here and out there claiming a vote to 'exit' would significantly help. I wanted to know from you how that can be when our population is going to be over 70mill by 2030 and with the oncoming economic slowdown to be brought on by Brexit? Well? Any silence on this matter will be taken as a 'fair cop, guv' No because pro-EU types didn't give a sh1t back in 2004 through to now 12 years later.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 5.01pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
People really should not believe everything they read, whatever the source, do their own research, ask questions and be a bit sceptical!! A lot of people did research and a lot of people take what they read in the linens as gospel.
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Rubin 25 Jun 16 5.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Standing down UK'S EU Commissioner Lord Hill ""I came to Brussels as someone who had campaigned against Britain joining the euro and who was sceptical about Europe. But, obviously, the 17million know better than this fella. Why does he know more than Daniel Hannan and other anti EU MEP's? I'm pretty sure that being the commissioner AND a lord will mean that he's more likely to take the government line.
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Rubin 25 Jun 16 5.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
'Now people can see that the forecasted impact was all true, and that the leave campaign was built on lies, if we held another referendum I am 100% sure the result would now be very different.' What, are after 1 day of financial trading? What lies? Nigel Farage saying it was an error to sa the EU membership money would go on the NHS? He won't be in the govt, cabinet or treasury but what he said at the end was that it was available to spend on a number of things including the NHS. The FTSE's back up to where it was when the Sunderland result came through.
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blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 5.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Why does he know more than Daniel Hannan and other anti EU MEP's? I'm pretty sure that being the commissioner AND a lord will mean that he's more likely to take the government line. Daniel Hannan isnt even for minimal immigration and wants to remain in the single market, meaning that we'll still likely have to allow freedom of movement.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 5.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
A very interesting answer. Ta. Pity not one of the 25 top economists at the independent Institute of Fiscal Studies sees it like that. Maybe they were short-termists. Let's hope you are right for a few of them. Dark days ahead before that beam of light. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 5.00pm) This nation will go on for centuries, not a few years or one economic life cycle. A lot of us would like to see and leave it in good shape, not a car park or a place to come and rinse money out of it whilst our own people don't progress. People have said it's shameful we've left and then you get irritants like Will Self who drone on about how the migrants are feeling. Feck me, what country is this man from? What about the people of his own country? I cringe when I read the macho social media posts stating how they wouldn't want to be side by side with cowards and yellow bellies in a war but later start to agree slightly when you hear the Wilf Self type discard his own country's citizens. And we are shameful? FFS. Edited by Rudi Hedman (25 Jun 2016 5.14pm)
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