Well ok, much of that is true, however let's not forget that half the country voted leave and perhaps they have concerns that, while you obviously don't share nor agree with them, don't have to be constantly derided like they are some low setter.

You may like how the EU operates but there are a huge number of people in the UK and in the EU itself that don't to varying levels.

You may not encounter anyone like the 'gammon' you find on here and feel sullied by our presence but let's not forget that we all live on this island and that 'Bristol' mindset you seem to have is itself very much a minority......even amongst remainers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Oct 2022 7.51pm)

So we're getting a new Prime Minister today. All done rather rapidly. By-passing some of the bureaucratic/democratic 'red tape', and alienating members of their own party and much of the electorate.
But it was important to reach a decision quickly, otherwise any further delay might cause the UK population to wonder if Government actually knew what they were doing.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (24 Oct 2022 10.47am)

Not only does it look like Sunak has been installed as the PM of the country, he has been imposed on the party membership as well....it looks like they were deliberately not allowed a vote.

Without a contest it's about as undemocratic as it could possibly be.

I would imagine the Conservative membership are going to be pretty angry. They have been denied a vote on the leader of the their party & their Prime Minister....seemingly deliberately. It could lead to a mass cancellation of memberships from the party.

He doesn't really have any mandate other than that of Tory MPs....well, a bit over half of them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2022 4.15am)

When we vote at a GE we vote for who will represent us in our constituency. We don't vote for a PM. It is simply the convention that who-ever leads the Party with the largest number of seats has the ability to form a government, as they have the confidence of a sufficient number of MPs.

Should that confidence be lost then Parliament needs to find someone else who can command it.

This is the task of Parliament. With an 80 seat majority it is obviously the largest Party, the Tories, who will choose a new leader who will then be able to form a government.

So this is 100% the job of the Tory MPs. The membership ought have no input. Nor should there be a GE, unless the Tory party splits and fails to back it's chosen leader.

The last thing we need at the moment is a GE. The opposition parties calling for one are just playing politics at a time when that's the last thing needed. They should be ashamed.

Obviously, as has been stated many times, I refute what you think on what should be the power balance between MPs and voters in general.

I don't wish to continually repeat this though so I'd rather ask you the question that if you don't think the membership should have any input on who leads their party....just what are a membership there for then? Just to pay their subs and shut up?

While obviously I had no time for Corbyn in general, he was the choice of the Labour membership and they had a far more democratic process than anyone else. I respected that.

Using your own mantra against you WE, perhaps it is you who needs to embrace change because you seem rather stuck in your ways.

I believe that decentralisation better fits human nature and is a bulwark against authoritarianism. Anything that permanently moves towards centralisation has to have secure safeguards against that for me.....A rather amusing part of my politics considering the far left think I'm a Nazi.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2022 12.53pm)