Only from Muslims and left wing nut jobs like some posters on here.

Edited by georgenorman (15 Oct 2023 9.59pm)

For those who want to go into the weeds on it I found this thread very informative on the subject of who has a legitimate claim to that blood soaked land.

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I was surprised...if I'm honest to find that the Jewish claim is reasonably strong, but it really does depend upon what your starting date is.....for example it isn't as strong for about 1500 years before 1948....which is a lot of generations.

I was surprised that the idea for the two state solution being a fair historical resolution does have some weight (how much is a matter of perspective).....I just don't think a two state solution works.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2023 1.47am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You mean Benjamin Netanyahu, a prime minister still fighting corruption charges, in and out as prime minister, and has been trying to revamp the rules to give him god like powers for years. You mean he might have taken a page out of Erdogans book and planned this thing himself so he can lavish himself with absolute power ?
Bit far fetch innit ?

sickening to watch the civilians being starved, bombed to death.
Completely unnecessary, ...and illegal.

I disengage, I turn the page.

Interesting use of the word 'fascists.' Taking it out of the highly emotive context that it has taken on, both Gaza and Israel probably have far more in common with the traditional definition.

Both have a hyper-sense of national identity, both are highly militarised societies which forms a core part of how people define themselves, both are very much products of the modern age as opposed to any kind of traditional monarchy.

And whilst Israel is definitely more liberal in many ways, as opposed to the more traditional Palestinian/Arab culture, Israel embodies the definition of a corporatism, given the interaction between Government and big business.

Perhaps you could make an argument for this actually being a (first-ever) conflict between two fascist-leaning nations? Of course, people won't but if you understand the actual mechanics of fascism as opposed to the student politik understanding most people have today, I reckon there is meat on the bone to my argument.

Edited by Matov (17 Oct 2023 8.19am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

I presume you also think that in all likelihood The Holocaust did not happen.

So what is your version of what Hamas did in Israel - a bit of sight-seeing?