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Dubai Eagle Flag 03 Jul 23 5.36am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I am with you on this, just one point though, the laws being quoted refer to the umpire at the bowlers end (the one who was no longer interested in what was going on, giving the cap back etc, so when the umpires have made the decision to uphold the stumping was that decision made by the square leg umpire or the off field video (Cricket VAR types) & if so would the bowlers end umpire be consulted for his opinion ?

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

The laws of the game state: "The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the bowler's end umpire that the fielding side and both batters at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play."

Carey clearly did not think the ball was dead - he threw it as soon as he could. Bairstow did believe it to be dead, with the added variable being the end of the over.

The key seems to be standing umpire Ahsan Raza, who was not watching the action and preparing to return a cap to bowler Green as the ball hit the stumps.

The fact that both batsman considered the ball to be dead is further enhanced by the fact that the standing umpire was not watching, which implies that he thought the ball was dead too. The fielding side obviously think it was in play, so the only unbiased opinion is that of the umpire who appeared to think that the ball was dead by his actions.

 

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Dubai Eagle Flag 03 Jul 23 5.38am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend


There would be quite a queue & not only for a chance to slap him.

Originally posted by CPFC Dartford

Not at all, can I go first!

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 03 Jul 23 6.14am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

I supposed that had to come up with a new way to cheat since they can't use sand paper this time!

How can it be cheating if it's within the rules of the game. It's really not much different to when Collingwood was captain and ran out a Kiwi batsman who had bumped into one of ours and was knocked over before reaching the crease.

Collingwood should have recalled the batsman just as Cummins should have done yesterday

 

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YT Flag Oxford 03 Jul 23 7.21am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

How can it be cheating if it's within the rules of the game. It's really not much different to when Collingwood was captain and ran out a Kiwi batsman who had bumped into one of ours and was knocked over before reaching the crease.

Collingwood should have recalled the batsman just as Cummins should have done yesterday

Your closing statement is the answer to your opening one.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 03 Jul 23 7.38am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I am with you on this, just one point though, the laws being quoted refer to the umpire at the bowlers end (the one who was no longer interested in what was going on, giving the cap back etc, so when the umpires have made the decision to uphold the stumping was that decision made by the square leg umpire or the off field video (Cricket VAR types) & if so would the bowlers end umpire be consulted for his opinion ?

It would seem the decision was taken by the 3rd umpire
. Not sure if any discussion was had with the on field umpires

 

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 03 Jul 23 8.17am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

The Bairstow stumping was unsporting and shouldn't have happened. Bairstow was not trying to gain any advantage. It's very Australia to pull out a dirty trick like that. Cummins Mr Nice Guy reputation has gone down the pan, he's just as bad as Warner, Smith etc. The appeal should have been withdrawn. It does stoke the fire nicely for the Headingly Test.

However, the reason we lost the Test was due to the moronic batting against the short ball in the first innings. We were in a position to build a healthy lead but totally threw it away.

The teams are evenly matched, we just need to read the situation better. Ben Stokes was an excellent example of that yesterday with his diligent batting.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 03 Jul 23 8.28am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

The Bairstow stumping was unsporting and shouldn't have happened. Bairstow was not trying to gain any advantage. It's very Australia to pull out a dirty trick like that. Cummins Mr Nice Guy reputation has gone down the pan, he's just as bad as Warner, Smith etc. The appeal should have been withdrawn. It does stoke the fire nicely for the Headingly Test.

However, the reason we lost the Test was due to the moronic batting against the short ball in the first innings. We were in a position to build a healthy lead but totally threw it away.

The teams are evenly matched, we just need to read the situation better. Ben Stokes was an excellent example of that yesterday with his diligent batting.

100% this

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Jul 23 8.41am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

How can it be cheating if it's within the rules of the game. It's really not much different to when Collingwood was captain and ran out a Kiwi batsman who had bumped into one of ours and was knocked over before reaching the crease.

Collingwood should have recalled the batsman just as Cummins should have done yesterday

Within the rules maybe, but
not how cricket should be played in 2023 at the highest level.

I feel a rule change is needed to avoid this kind of nonsense.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 03 Jul 23 9.29am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

It always takes a ridiculous exploitation of existing rules to get an over-due review.
It's a shame this Ashes will be over-shadowed (whatever the result) by the stumping incident in this game. England gave it some wellie, but I still don't think they're good enough against the Aussies.

And now instead of applauding the better side, there's a simmering under-current of "cheats, cheats, cheats"

It's just not cricket,...but then again ,..it is

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Jul 2023 9.31am)

 


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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 03 Jul 23 9.29am Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Within the rules maybe, but
not how cricket should be played in 2023 at the highest level.

I feel a rule change is needed to avoid this kind of nonsense.

Two things:

First, a rule change which would have meant Bairstow wasn't legally out would be extremely hard, if not impossible, to frame.

Second, I don't think that that incident will be repeated for many years, if ever. As someone said, it was a "brutal lesson", which will have been learnt throughout the game.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Jul 23 9.38am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

Two things:

First, a rule change which would have meant Bairstow wasn't legally out would be extremely hard, if not impossible, to frame.

Second, I don't think that that incident will be repeated for many years, if ever. As someone said, it was a "brutal lesson", which will have been learnt throughout the game.

OK, so in specific terms, why was he out?

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 03 Jul 23 9.52am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It's a shame this Ashes will be over-shadowed (whatever the result) by the stumping incident in this game. England gave it some wellie, but I still don't think they're good enough against the Aussies.

We lost by just 43 runs and Bairstow who was our batsman of the year last year was out for 10.

It's quite conceivable that he could have got a half century which means that we would have won so it's a shame that the whole match was decided by an unsportsmanlike gesture

 

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