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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 22 6.23pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Do left wing parties answer to anything except their own vision? I think not Probably not. As a centrist, I am neither right, nor left. I believe in doing what is practical and in the common good, and not what the attitudes of any tribe dictates should be done.
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Teddy Eagle  23 Apr 22 6.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not guilty! If you check back, it wasn't me who started to discuss Brexit. All I have done is to counter some of the assertions made, which has filled in a little time until we know whether Le Pen will be hiding under a rock for the next few years, or creating mayhem in France and the wider EU. Not long to wait. You may not be interested, but getting to a place where we can re-enter in some way became the focus immediately we left, and that remains sharp. Don't expect people like me to accept what I regard as a disastrous and stupid event. We will fight every bit as hard as the anti-EU mob did for 40 years, and will answer comments whenever they are raised. The drip-drip of the truth, frequently restated, will hopefully penetrate where it hasn't so far. Unless Parliament decided after 50 years of dealing with Europe that we’d be better off out of their organisation and have no intention of going back.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 22 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
What you say is again simply untrue. While we were in the EU, its laws took precedence over UK law. Unelected EU Commissioners proposed and drafted EU laws, our elected representative could not do that. They could vote against a proposed law, although in some budgetary and foreign policy matters that could not even do that. Elected MEPs had and have no way of implementing their manifestos, democracy in the EU is a sham. As for opting out of EU rules and regulations, Cameron during his so called renegotiation, of course found that you could not opt out of say free movement of people. Whilst in any circumstances of a conflict between UK and EU law, (where it exists), the final court of appeal would determine matters on the basis of EU law. All members agreed to that. There aren't many conflicts, and that situation remains largely unchanged by Brexit. You might like to read these:- You are wrong though about the way that EU law is enacted. The Commission can propose, research and present new laws, but the Council, and the Parliament, can amend and must approve them before implementation. It's cumbersome, for sure, but that's the nature of a diverse Union with many legislatures. There is also significant differences between Regulations and Directives. Many in the UK were not really interested in this, and just blamed the EU for "interfering".
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 22 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Unless Parliament decided after 50 years of dealing with Europe that we’d be better off out of their organisation and have no intention of going back. Of course. That's up to us to choose a Parliament that will make sensible decisions. Whatever we perceive them to be. Want to bet what our next Parliament will look like?
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 georgenorman 23 Apr 22 6.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whilst in any circumstances of a conflict between UK and EU law, (where it exists), the final court of appeal would determine matters on the basis of EU law. All members agreed to that. There aren't many conflicts, and that situation remains largely unchanged by Brexit. You might like to read these:- You are wrong though about the way that EU law is enacted. The Commission can propose, research and present new laws, but the Council, and the Parliament, can amend and must approve them before implementation. It's cumbersome, for sure, but that's the nature of a diverse Union with many legislatures. There is also significant differences between Regulations and Directives. Many in the UK were not really interested in this, and just blamed the EU for "interfering". The unelected EU Commissioners are the ONLY source of EU law. If you can't vote for and against the people that make the laws that govern you, then you do not live in a democracy. So how do elected members of the European 'parliament' get to implement the manifestos that they put forward to the voters?
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| Grumbles 23 Apr 22 7.06pm |
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I am afraid I will have to go with Macron, the alternative is even more anti England.
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| georgenorman 23 Apr 22 7.15pm |
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Originally posted by Grumbles
I am afraid I will have to go with Macron, the alternative is even more anti England. Practically everyone is anti-England, including may English.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 23 Apr 22 7.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not guilty! If you check back, it wasn't me who started to discuss Brexit. All I have done is to counter some of the assertions made, which has filled in a little time until we know whether Le Pen will be hiding under a rock for the next few years, or creating mayhem in France and the wider EU. Not long to wait. You may not be interested, but getting to a place where we can re-enter in some way became the focus immediately we left, and that remains sharp. Don't expect people like me to accept what I regard as a disastrous and stupid event. We will fight every bit as hard as the anti-EU mob did for 40 years, and will answer comments whenever they are raised. The drip-drip of the truth, frequently restated, will hopefully penetrate where it hasn't so far. I have checked back & on every News/Politics thread you have posted on, you have dropped your remoaner tosh n drivel. You like to make other posters think you are so intelligent & come across as high n mighty. You have been sussed out. Stick to the thread subject or better still, don't post at all.
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| Grumbles 23 Apr 22 8.04pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Practically everyone is anti-England, including may English. Expand?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Apr 22 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not guilty! If you check back, it wasn't me who started to discuss Brexit. All I have done is to counter some of the assertions made, which has filled in a little time until we know whether Le Pen will be hiding under a rock for the next few years, or creating mayhem in France and the wider EU. Not long to wait. You may not be interested, but getting to a place where we can re-enter in some way became the focus immediately we left, and that remains sharp. Don't expect people like me to accept what I regard as a disastrous and stupid event. We will fight every bit as hard as the anti-EU mob did for 40 years, and will answer comments whenever they are raised. The drip-drip of the truth, frequently restated, will hopefully penetrate where it hasn't so far. You never miss any opportunity to whine on with your anti Brexit waffle.
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cryrst  The garden of England 23 Apr 22 8.31pm |
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Originally posted by Grumbles
Expand? P r a c t I c a l l y e v e r y o n e e t c Edited by cryrst (23 Apr 2022 8.31pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 22 8.36pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The unelected EU Commissioners are the ONLY source of EU law. If you can't vote for and against the people that make the laws that govern you, then you do not live in a democracy. So how do elected members of the European 'parliament' get to implement the manifestos that they put forward to the voters?
That's untrue. They are the ones formally proposing the law, but whilst Regulations take effect everywhere, Directives need to be implemented via local enactment. So who initiates the proposals. In most cases they do, in pursuit of the agreed Treaties, but the Parliament also has a role. They can debate and initiate action by the Commission. It's an unwieldy system, but any that tries to merge the interests of sovereign nation states is going to be. The EU Parliament cannot be directly compared to our, or any other member's Parliament. It serves a different purpose and operates in a different environment. It's very easy to criticise, but it also brings benefits. The Commission is a constant and not subject to wild policy swings every 5 years. It aims to achieve the objectives of the Treaties. Thus, it maintains a steady progress which is often stymied elsewhere. It is overseen by the Council and the Parliament, which has the power to dismiss it, following a vote of no confidence. You might be reassured by this:-
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