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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 Stirlingsays  23 Feb 22 6.16pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Yes, I pretty much think it is light versus dark. Putin is a little Hitler and he will keep threatning and taking over his neighbours if the West lets him - just like big Hitler did. Personally I think before you decide that Putin is 'little Hitler', I think you should watch the Liddle link from earlier in the thread and really look into the larger context. Putin doesn't need 'living space' or view the destruction of communism as an existential requirement like Hitler did...it's obviously very different. Anyway, sanctions, nor wider war, didn't deter Hitler. So I guess we will see if these Hitler comparisons are accurate. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Feb 2022 6.39pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Feb 22 6.38pm |
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Russia has not invaded Ukraine. It does not actually have to. The objective, blocking possible Ukraine membership of NATO, if that was all it was, has now been achieved. Ukraine no longer controls its own borders, and cannot be admitted to NATO. By the creation of the two republics, what Ukraine is cannot be defined. Nice one.
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Feb 22 6.41pm |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
I think we're all agreed that Putin is a dangerous thug. An extraordinarily vain megalomaniac. And probably slightly deranged. I started the thread because I was beginning to feel worried about what was unfolding in Ukraine. I'm more worried now. Putin is neither mad nor stupid. He should not be underestimated. He is, however, a populist. This move plays very well to Russians and also to the Russian diaspora. The mother bear will always come to the rescue.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 23 Feb 22 6.41pm |
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A large dog with big teeth is very fond of its toys. When the dog is sleeping, someone tries to take the toys away. This isn't just politics. It's also about increasing the market for arms sales for Western companies, and also utilities and marketable goods. A bit of political conflict also distracts the proles from the absolute pile of 5hlt the Western Governments have caused at home.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Feb 22 6.42pm |
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Just observing Putin's behaviour causes me as much concern, as what he says. The huge tables, the heavily emphasised social distancing, the way he obviously produces fear in his yes men, let alone any who dare oppose him. He appears to have gone full-bore megalomaniac, almost a parody of a Bond film villain. His presentation of events, and the re-writing of history, support this, in my opinion. Expecting any kind of rationality from him seems pointless. Do you think we have any back channels into the second tier of officialdom in Moscow and if so whether they will now be worked? As everyone spies on everyone else there, and summary justice common place it will be a brave man who tries to organise against him, but right now I see this as the only logical way forward, other than a very long new Cold War.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Feb 22 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Russia has not invaded Ukraine. It does not actually have to. The objective, blocking possible Ukraine membership of NATO, if that was all it was, has now been achieved. Ukraine no longer controls its own borders, and cannot be admitted to NATO. By the creation of the two republics, what Ukraine is cannot be defined. Nice one.
History doesn't repeat...it rhymes.
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| Grumbles 23 Feb 22 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
do you mean Israelis?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Feb 22 6.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
History doesn't repeat...it rhymes. Yes typical Putin - Georgia, Moldova etc. It leaves a potential conflict in a perpetual holding state, while achieving his objective. How could Ukraine be admitted to NATO now, it could not conform to the requirements, what is it now, anyway.
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 23 Feb 22 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just observing Putin's behaviour causes me as much concern, as what he says. The huge tables, the heavily emphasised social distancing, the way he obviously produces fear in his yes men, let alone any who dare oppose him. He appears to have gone full-bore megalomaniac, almost a parody of a Bond film villain. His presentation of events, and the re-writing of history, support this, in my opinion. Expecting any kind of rationality from him seems pointless. Do you think we have any back channels into the second tier of officialdom in Moscow and if so whether they will now be worked? As everyone spies on everyone else there, and summary justice common place it will be a brave man who tries to organise against him, but right now I see this as the only logical way forward, other than a very long new Cold War. Quite Wisbech. Where's James with a high powered, long range, silenced, Barrett M82 rifle when you need him?
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| Stirlingsays 23 Feb 22 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Yes typical Putin - Georgia, Moldova etc. It leaves a potential conflict in a perpetual holding state, while achieving his objective. How could Ukraine be admitted to NATO now, it could not conform to the requirements, what is it now, anyway. Yep, the future for Ukraine could have parallels to Kashmir. An utterly avoidable conflict.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Feb 22 7.06pm |
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Getting rid of Putin wouldn't solve the Ukrainian situation.....you'd have to get rid of his regime. None of that is realistic....we are talking about a nuclear state here.
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| kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 23 Feb 22 7.11pm |
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I exect Putin to send Russain troops into Ukraine. If he does, that is an invasion, is it not?
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