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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 26 Jan 22 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Another Remainer pretending to be pro Brexit. Meanwhile, the country has real things to worry about, not birthday parties. Like whether they report Meatloaf's death on ITV? or the latest woke story you've been fed to get your blood pumping? Real important stuff.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jan 22 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Johnson is the one eyed man in the land of the blind. That said, he has had to deal with two of the biggest upheavals in British history back to back. I'm not going to quibble over a birthday party. Compared to the eighties when I was growing up I just don't recognise the Tories anymore.....though Labour's far left back then are now its mainstream....I still can't quite believe that those who were called the loonies back then are now the mainstream....in both actual parties. People say stuff at Tory conferences now that would have seen them frog marched out back then.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jan 22 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Like whether they report Meatloaf's death on ITV? or the latest woke story you've been fed to get your blood pumping? Real important stuff. Cross threading is always frowned upon. Keep it in General Talk.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Jan 22 3.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Compared to the eighties when I was growing up I just don't recognise the Tories anymore.....though Labour's far left back then are now its mainstream....I still can't quite believe that those who were called the loonies back then are now the mainstream....in both actual parties. People say stuff at Tory conferences now that would have seen them frog marched out back then. Whilst that's true of the Tories I don't think it is of Labour. Thatcher, much as I disliked her politics, was a conviction politician. She had stamina and drive. She led. Not necessarily to anywhere I wanted to go, but we all knew where it was. Today's Tories are chancers, populists whose only convictions are based on the wind's direction. Labour is just a mess. They dumped the far left when they deposed the Corbyn mob, but their support base remains actively undermining any moves back to the security of the centre. To suggest that the far left constitute the mainstream is simply ridiculous. They are on the fringes making waves, but not in the centre.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jan 22 3.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whilst that's true of the Tories I don't think it is of Labour. Thatcher, much as I disliked her politics, was a conviction politician. She had stamina and drive. She led. Not necessarily to anywhere I wanted to go, but we all knew where it was. Today's Tories are chancers, populists whose only convictions are based on the wind's direction. Labour is just a mess. They dumped the far left when they deposed the Corbyn mob, but their support base remains actively undermining any moves back to the security of the centre. To suggest that the far left constitute the mainstream is simply ridiculous. They are on the fringes making waves, but not in the centre. What policies does Starmer advocate for that Corbyn didn't?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 26 Jan 22 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whilst that's true of the Tories I don't think it is of Labour. Thatcher, much as I disliked her politics, was a conviction politician. She had stamina and drive. She led. Not necessarily to anywhere I wanted to go, but we all knew where it was. Today's Tories are chancers, populists whose only convictions are based on the wind's direction. Labour is just a mess. They dumped the far left when they deposed the Corbyn mob, but their support base remains actively undermining any moves back to the security of the centre. To suggest that the far left constitute the mainstream is simply ridiculous. They are on the fringes making waves, but not in the centre. It is funny to read on here how supposedly left-wing everything is, when Labour have done all they can post-Corbyn to move closer to the centre and ignore/cast-off their left-wing membership.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Jan 22 3.48pm |
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The civil service is tory. It's difficult to understand what they do apart from rescue the government with cocktails of lies and deceptions, and absurd economic stats. They are clearly not independent, 11 years of tory service has left its mark. Over 50% of the civil service are public school, more than at the end of WW2, they start by being ferried in from universities and have no experience of life. It cannot be independent can it.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 26 Jan 22 3.48pm |
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Boris is about the only person in the UK who thinks he's not moving out of Downing Street soon. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (26 Jan 2022 6.23pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Jan 22 3.57pm |
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If people think like I do, that the left, Attlee and Keynes post-war reconstruction is what we need, they won't find it with Starmer.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Jan 22 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The civil service is tory. It's difficult to understand what they do apart from rescue the government with cocktails of lies and deceptions, and absurd economic stats. They are clearly not independent, 11 years of tory service has left its mark. Over 50% of the civil service are public school, more than at the end of WW2, they start by being ferried in from universities and have no experience of life. It cannot be independent can it. Usually highly unionised and Labour in my experience, where my sister and brother-in-law were heads of two different unions. My aunt was Chief Secretary of the Home Office. She is complete Labour and always has been. Just my own experience, I stand to be corrected.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Jan 22 4.15pm |
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This is all getting very embarrassing for us, a once-admired country.
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| silvertop Portishead 26 Jan 22 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What policies does Starmer advocate for that Corbyn didn't? Wisbech comments feel correct with the grass roots largely 70s far lefty and the parliamentary party largely centrist; but I am not sure Starmer advocates any policy right now. In fact, I would currently describe their "policies" as anti-Tory and... err... that's it. In truth, do they need to do anything else right now?
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