Come off it. You are choosing one example of a specific group of immigrants and claiming them to be representative of immigrants as a whole.
You talk in terms of causality and all that mumbo jumbo and then use daft logic like that?

Huguenots were French Protestants. Hardly different culturally, and that many people probably come here every week now.

I'm sorry, but you are starting to bore me. We have heard all this denial nonsense from others like you for years, and it does not tally with the real world.

Crime among immigrant and offspring of immigrants is much higher than the population as a whole. Some demographics are much more likely to commit crime than others. It's that simple.
This is not about paranoia, it is about statistical fact.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Sep 2021 7.57am)

did the French outlaw the collection of such data. You have crime statistics, and then you have demographic statistics. But never the twain shall meet.

any day now in the UK also ?

Wilful ignorance just to keep the PC brigade happy ( or less angry ).

Edited by PalazioVecchio (14 Sep 2021 9.09am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

What these studies seem to be saying is that immigration itself and crime are not directly linked.

That is obvious.

What it also suggests is that the limited opportunities afforded to many immigrants does have an effect on crime.

Again obvious.

What it actually means is that immigrants are more likely to commit crime.

Also, it does not cover the people who are second generation and third generation. The fact that you can call yourself British and were born here does not alter the root causes.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Sep 2021 9.31am)

So want to discuss immigration into Britain but not before a certain date and only regarding groups above a certain number? You suggest that past experience with immigration into the UK has no relevance but seek to establish a parallel with events over a thousand five hundred years ago.

I have posted links above that clearly show immigration does not lead to a rise in crime. This is both in the UK and globally. These are long-term studies that look at trends over decades.

Regarding the 50,000 Hugonotes that came to Britain. It is not the same as the number of immigrants that come to Britain in one week. In 2019 614,000 immigrants arrive, however, net immigration was 221,000. (These figures contain overseas students and other that will return home after their study end). That is 4,250 a week.

Denial is a word that you use a lot. It characterises much of what you post.

If you are bored find something interesting to do. Personally, I find going to the gym helps.

I think that you had better publish your findings in a research paper. I am sure that academics in this field will be fascinated to see methodology and analysis. One wonders why there is globally no research that supports your position.

There is a lot of research out there. I have posted 20 links that examine this subject. Can you show me some academic papers that show crime rising in relation to immegration?

As regard the limited opportunities afforded to immigrants this is constant across the demographic so it also affects opportunities for people born in the UK. What is clear is that poverty and deprivation are directly linked to crime and sadly these impinge on many.

There is research into second-generation crime. It's easy to find and it too does not support what you say.

For evidence of exactly what we are dealing with in terms of simple truth read this response to an attempt to find out information.

Deliberately avoiding the chap's attempt to discover which ethnic groups are committing what crimes at what percent.

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Also, look into this exchange and observe how difficult it is to get honest responses.

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I had a look at the stats given and I couldn't find an honest response to what he said.

Looking into the prison data it was also hard to find what I was looking for, buried deep within one of them I found this:

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'Overrepresentation of BAME individuals
53.One, as yet, unexplained challenge is the overrepresentation of BAME people in prisons proportionate to the general population documented in successive reviews.87 Most recently, Rt Hon David Lammy MP’s review into the treatment of and outcomes for black and minority ethnic people in the criminal justice system has highlighted the significant effect of disproportionality in prisons. Mr Lammy adopted an inclusive definition of BAME, which included gypsy, Roma and traveller populations. Across the whole system, 25% of prisoners are BAME, despite making up only 14% of the population. Disproportionality is particularly pronounced in the youth justice system; Mr Lammy anticipated this would get worse before it got better. In the year since his review the proportion of under 18s in youth custody who are BAME has increased by 1% to 45%; up from 25% ten years ago.88 Youth convictions often impact the future life chances of those young people. The Lammy Review cited that in the five years to 2017, 22,000 BAME children had their names added to the Police National Database, including for minor offences such as police reprimands.89 The proportion of Muslims in prison has almost doubled in a decade.90'

So we have to rely upon Lammy to actually look for the stats and only because he's take on it is to blame 'racism' in white society. When the stark reality is that the 'whites' that hold authority positions are doing all they can to avoid the honest conclusions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2021 10.44am)

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