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DanH SW2 02 Jun 20 4.30pm
Originally posted by Matov Clearly not. But is that solely the fault of white people? And if so, are there any specific reasons why other minority groups do not seem to struggle as much? Now I have no idea about what you do professionally but would you be happy to have quotas imposed even if it meant your earning potential might be impacted on? Or perhaps forms of positive discrimination introduced in other areas of life to try and deal with the discrepancies? Not solely, of course not. There's a myriad of factors, but a very large part of it is the embedded system and society that we have created for ourselves (largely by white people - not our fault, the history of this country is largely white). I work in a pretty large accountancy firm and one of the most senior in a team of 50 odd and interview people all the time. I am not a fan of quotas whatsoever but I do believe a team benefits from having a make-up of people from different sexes, backgrounds, races etc. as it helps you benefit from different perspectives, thought processes etc. that helps you operate in a way reflective of the current world. I honestly do not think we would work better if we had a team of 50 white male English blokes. If that counts as positive discrimination towards non-white English blokes then guilty.
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DanH

SW2 02 Jun 20 4.30pm

Originally posted by Matov

Clearly not. But is that solely the fault of white people? And if so, are there any specific reasons why other minority groups do not seem to struggle as much?

Now I have no idea about what you do professionally but would you be happy to have quotas imposed even if it meant your earning potential might be impacted on? Or perhaps forms of positive discrimination introduced in other areas of life to try and deal with the discrepancies?

Not solely, of course not. There's a myriad of factors, but a very large part of it is the embedded system and society that we have created for ourselves (largely by white people - not our fault, the history of this country is largely white).

I work in a pretty large accountancy firm and one of the most senior in a team of 50 odd and interview people all the time. I am not a fan of quotas whatsoever but I do believe a team benefits from having a make-up of people from different sexes, backgrounds, races etc. as it helps you benefit from different perspectives, thought processes etc. that helps you operate in a way reflective of the current world. I honestly do not think we would work better if we had a team of 50 white male English blokes.

If that counts as positive discrimination towards non-white English blokes then guilty.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Jun 20 4.33pm
You’re in accounting though, not advertising or something. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 02 Jun 20 4.33pm

You’re in accounting though, not advertising or something.

COYP

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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 20 4.33pm
Originally posted by DanH You seem unable to see past your self (shock) so do you have an example for the class of when you, personally, have been held back in life or mistreated purely because of the colour of your skin? Edited by DanH (02 Jun 2020 4.01pm) I nearly lost my life in a gang attack on Stockwell park estate as a 17 year old. I've written about it previously on here. It was the final straw before our old man moved us out of Stockwell and up here. You really should start looking at statistics Castro instead of believing your filtered protected experiences are reality. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 4.34pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

02 Jun 20 4.33pm

Originally posted by DanH

You seem unable to see past your self (shock) so do you have an example for the class of when you, personally, have been held back in life or mistreated purely because of the colour of your skin?

Edited by DanH (02 Jun 2020 4.01pm)

I nearly lost my life in a gang attack on Stockwell park estate as a 17 year old. I've written about it previously on here. It was the final straw before our old man moved us out of Stockwell and up here.

You really should start looking at statistics Castro instead of believing your filtered protected experiences are reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 4.34pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 20 4.36pm
Originally posted by DanH If that counts as positive discrimination towards non-white English blokes then guilty. If you or others aren't hiring based purely upon merit then....well there you go. Plain as day. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

02 Jun 20 4.36pm

Originally posted by DanH

If that counts as positive discrimination towards non-white English blokes then guilty.

If you or others aren't hiring based purely upon merit then....well there you go.

Plain as day.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jun 20 4.44pm
Originally posted by DanH Guilty. The day they invent a total body transplant I will be first in the queue "I'd like a George Clooney makeover please". One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 02 Jun 20 4.44pm

Originally posted by DanH

Guilty.

The day they invent a total body transplant I will be first in the queue "I'd like a George Clooney makeover please".

One more point

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Matov 02 Jun 20 4.52pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If you or others aren't hiring based purely upon merit then....well there you go. Plain as day. And to be fair, deserving of some credit. Honesty is sadly lacking in this debate and Dan has had the courage of his convictions to admit his discriminates against white males. I don't agree with his stance but he has admitted it. That is something and I am sure people will be helped to reach their own conclusions accordingly. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

02 Jun 20 4.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you or others aren't hiring based purely upon merit then....well there you go.

Plain as day.

And to be fair, deserving of some credit. Honesty is sadly lacking in this debate and Dan has had the courage of his convictions to admit his discriminates against white males.

I don't agree with his stance but he has admitted it. That is something and I am sure people will be helped to reach their own conclusions accordingly.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 20 5.00pm
Originally posted by Matov And to be fair, deserving of some credit. Honesty is sadly lacking in this debate and Dan has had the courage of his convictions to admit his discriminates against white males. I don't agree with his stance but he has admitted it. That is something and I am sure people will be helped to reach their own conclusions accordingly. True. It does deserve some commendation. He's not bad, just misguided. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

02 Jun 20 5.00pm

Originally posted by Matov

And to be fair, deserving of some credit. Honesty is sadly lacking in this debate and Dan has had the courage of his convictions to admit his discriminates against white males.

I don't agree with his stance but he has admitted it. That is something and I am sure people will be helped to reach their own conclusions accordingly.

True.

It does deserve some commendation.

He's not bad, just misguided.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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jeeagles 02 Jun 20 5.02pm
The left really don't seem to be good at winning public support. I used to be far more left wing than I am now, but I just got pissed off with all the moaning. One thing they seem particularly bad at, is learning from history. They say they hate the Tories but put forward such an extreme candidate that the Tories won by a land slide. The Nazi's grew support in the 30's by targetting communist pubs. They'd move into the pubs next to them and gain support from all the people who hated the communists. They say they are tolerant and peaceful, but shut down anyone who's opinion they don't like, targeting any minor statement or action. They never call out any inappropriate behaviours or customs against any culture apart from white people. Bigotary, racism, homophobia, and explotiation exists in all cultures. I don't see Saudi, Chinese, or Russian embasseys being destroyed? People full of hate will always find something to hate. These "Check your privileage" types are just as jugemental and spiteful as the racists.
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jeeagles

02 Jun 20 5.02pm

The left really don't seem to be good at winning public support.

I used to be far more left wing than I am now, but I just got pissed off with all the moaning.

One thing they seem particularly bad at, is learning from history.

They say they hate the Tories but put forward such an extreme candidate that the Tories won by a land slide.

The Nazi's grew support in the 30's by targetting communist pubs. They'd move into the pubs next to them and gain support from all the people who hated the communists.

They say they are tolerant and peaceful, but shut down anyone who's opinion they don't like, targeting any minor statement or action.

They never call out any inappropriate behaviours or customs against any culture apart from white people. Bigotary, racism, homophobia, and explotiation exists in all cultures. I don't see Saudi, Chinese, or Russian embasseys being destroyed?

People full of hate will always find something to hate. These "Check your privileage" types are just as jugemental and spiteful as the racists.

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BlueJay UK 02 Jun 20 5.05pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Nope not at all, a huge effort has gone into positive discrimination and targeting those with protected characteristics so they have it far better now than your average white, young, able bodied heterosexual male. I have witnessed this first hand for many years in different situations. Problem is they cannot seem to help themselves despite all these leg up programmes. You need to watch a few of the old Muhammad Ali interviews - he will spell it out for you as he did back then when straight talking. There's a bit more to "have it far better" in reality. It's very easy to simplify others experiences. There are many prior factors to take into account from upbringing, environment, preconceptions based on race etc. Advantages aren't advantages if you're never in the position to take advantage of them. I agree that lowering standards for particular people isn't the right way to fix the problem. There should instead be more opportunities for all kids to excel at a young age. Of course kids don't choose where they go to school though, and if you're not around aspiration or success you're less likely to work toward it. That's true of most people really. As for "They cannot help themselves" plenty of people regardless of race don't help themselves, or have advantages they didn't earn or disadvantages they didn't deserve. You see it very clearly with class too. Is it an amazing coincidence that almost every Prime Minister went to Eton? Is it because we're all dense, or due to a combination of advantageous factors and connections from birth to adulthood that shoe horn them into a position of power despite them being no more intelligent than millions of other people. They "have it far better" not some generalised idea of a black guy it's easy to wag a finger at. Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2020 5.11pm)
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BlueJay

UK 02 Jun 20 5.05pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Nope not at all, a huge effort has gone into positive discrimination and targeting those with protected characteristics so they have it far better now than your average white, young, able bodied heterosexual male. I have witnessed this first hand for many years in different situations.

Problem is they cannot seem to help themselves despite all these leg up programmes. You need to watch a few of the old Muhammad Ali interviews - he will spell it out for you as he did back then when straight talking.

There's a bit more to "have it far better" in reality. It's very easy to simplify others experiences. There are many prior factors to take into account from upbringing, environment, preconceptions based on race etc. Advantages aren't advantages if you're never in the position to take advantage of them. I agree that lowering standards for particular people isn't the right way to fix the problem. There should instead be more opportunities for all kids to excel at a young age. Of course kids don't choose where they go to school though, and if you're not around aspiration or success you're less likely to work toward it. That's true of most people really.

As for "They cannot help themselves" plenty of people regardless of race don't help themselves, or have advantages they didn't earn or disadvantages they didn't deserve. You see it very clearly with class too. Is it an amazing coincidence that almost every Prime Minister went to Eton? Is it because we're all dense, or due to a combination of advantageous factors and connections from birth to adulthood that shoe horn them into a position of power despite them being no more intelligent than millions of other people. They "have it far better" not some generalised idea of a black guy it's easy to wag a finger at.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2020 5.11pm)

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Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jun 20 5.15pm
If you keep telling people it's not their fault or that they are a victim it's the perfect excuse to fail. There are plenty of people of all races who need very little encourgement to sit on their backside and play the victim game. We need this country to be a more aspirational society instead we have a "why does he have a nice car he's privileged" . Maybe he is or maybe he worked his backside off and earned it. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 02 Jun 20 5.15pm

If you keep telling people it's not their fault or that they are a victim it's the perfect excuse to fail.

There are plenty of people of all races who need very little encourgement to sit on their backside and play the victim game.

We need this country to be a more aspirational society instead we have a "why does he have a nice car he's privileged" . Maybe he is or maybe he worked his backside off and earned it.

One more point

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Matov 02 Jun 20 5.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays True. It does deserve some commendation. He's not bad, just misguided. No, he is bad. Lets not minimise this. It is absolute discrimination and against the law of the land. Essentially he discriminates against people based on the colour of their skin to assuage his own white guilt. He makes decisions about the careers of others to ensure he gets his hit of well-being. I am now convinced that virtue signalling gestures such as this are actually an addiction that can lead to potentially catastrophic consequences. It is pure serotonin chasing and is becoming increasingly prevalent. Everything people do is for reward of one kind or the other. Why on earth would those white people kneel like that of their own validation? A gun to the head, then I get it although I like to think that I would rather die but who honestly knows? So what do they get out of it? Has to be a buzz of somekind. And what comes next for them? Kneeling only works the once really. After that, the hit will not be so good. Will require even more subservience. But to do that voluntarily? Nah. Potentially turning points for me in all of this. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

02 Jun 20 5.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

True.

It does deserve some commendation.

He's not bad, just misguided.

No, he is bad. Lets not minimise this. It is absolute discrimination and against the law of the land. Essentially he discriminates against people based on the colour of their skin to assuage his own white guilt. He makes decisions about the careers of others to ensure he gets his hit of well-being. I am now convinced that virtue signalling gestures such as this are actually an addiction that can lead to potentially catastrophic consequences. It is pure serotonin chasing and is becoming increasingly prevalent.

Everything people do is for reward of one kind or the other. Why on earth would those white people kneel like that of their own validation? A gun to the head, then I get it although I like to think that I would rather die but who honestly knows? So what do they get out of it? Has to be a buzz of somekind. And what comes next for them? Kneeling only works the once really. After that, the hit will not be so good. Will require even more subservience.

But to do that voluntarily? Nah. Potentially turning points for me in all of this.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Spiderman Horsham 02 Jun 20 5.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Get on your knees whitey and beg forgiveness. Coming to a generation near you. [Tweet Link] [Tweet Link] These are undoubtedly a set up. If not I despair for America
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Horsham 02 Jun 20 5.19pm