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jamiemartin721  Reading 31 May 17 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
This sums it up for me. The outlook, whoever wins, is utterly ghastly so the only real choice is which particular brand of ghastliness you can more comfortably live with. This is a game I choose not to play. I won't be voting. My conscience simply won't permit it. I'm voting Green, because they actually responded to local issues such as closures of the Arthur Hill Swimming Pool, Children centres (9 of the 13) and The After Dark. Which I supported. Also back in the day, I'm pretty sure I copped off with her (ironically at the After Dark). Active bunch our local Green and Councillors. Neither Labour nor the Conservatives have ever really responded to any of these issues, or any emails I've ever sent them (well except one of the Councillors on the After Dark, who said I probably should contact the Greens). Plus Rob 'Still campaigning after 12 years on the same third f**king Bridge' Wilson is a smug c**t who'd get a shoeing from Ghandi.
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 Stirlingsays 31 May 17 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
They're starting on 19 June 2017. The German elections aren't until 24 September 2017. I don't see any serious meat being decided until then. Maybe they could get some framework sorted out....because at the moment they are a significant distance from each other.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 31 May 17 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
People vote if they are interested in politics. The older someone gets and the more sh1t they acquire the more likely they are in wanting to keep hold of it...ie income and assets....hence why more older voters turn to Tories.....The interest in politics ...when seen over large populations is....primarily self interest. It's not going to change. Interesting points. Why do other countries (Nordics and France for instance) consistently vote for much more socialist and higher tax, higher welfare, lower inequality governments in that case? It's perfectly plausible to argue that people can be better off in such states and so to vote for such a system would be in one's own interest. I totally get what you mean though. It's the Allais paradox; if you see more cash in your pocket day one and would rather have that than a better outcome on day 1001.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 31 May 17 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The German elections aren't until 24 September 2017. I don't see any serious meat being decided until then. Maybe they could get some framework sorted out....because at the moment they are a significant distance from each other. The intention I read is that negotiations around the divorce bill, Irish border and EU nationals' rights will be negotiated straight away with the hope of concluding on those points by Christmas. The Germans have signed up to the EU-27 stance on this already. I agree the German elections will be important for anything post those initial negotiations and no deal will be discussed before then. But those initial discussions clearly are very important politically and economically on both sides and Barnier has sign off to get going on those right away.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 31 May 17 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Interesting points. Why do other countries (Nordics and France for instance) consistently vote for much more socialist and higher tax, higher welfare, lower inequality governments in that case? It's perfectly plausible to argue that people can be better off in such states and so to vote for such a system would be in one's own interest. I totally get what you mean though. It's the Allais paradox; if you see more cash in your pocket day one and would rather have that than a better outcome on day 1001. France and the Nordic countries are increasingly voting for right and hard-right parties due to the problems created by the liberal/left parties and the EU.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 31 May 17 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm voting Green, because they actually responded to local issues such as closures of the Arthur Hill Swimming Pool, Children centres (9 of the 13) and The After Dark. Which I supported. Also back in the day, I'm pretty sure I copped off with her (ironically at the After Dark). Active bunch our local Green and Councillors. Neither Labour nor the Conservatives have ever really responded to any of these issues, or any emails I've ever sent them (well except one of the Councillors on the After Dark, who said I probably should contact the Greens). Plus Rob 'Still campaigning after 12 years on the same third f**king Bridge' Wilson is a smug c**t who'd get a shoeing from Ghandi. Was Rohypnol available then?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 May 17 2.18pm |
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The Naylor report approved by Theresa May plans to sell off NHS.
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| Stirlingsays 31 May 17 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Interesting points. Why do other countries (Nordics and France for instance) consistently vote for much more socialist and higher tax, higher welfare, lower inequality governments in that case? It's perfectly plausible to argue that people can be better off in such states and so to vote for such a system would be in one's own interest. I totally get what you mean though. It's the Allais paradox; if you see more cash in your pocket day one and would rather have that than a better outcome on day 1001. France tends to ping pong between left and right more than we do....The real left haven't been in power since the seventies here and Corbyn is its first face since Smith. However the Scandinavian aspect is an interesting one....though its immigration policies are causing rising discontent.....But it does consistently vote left or centralist...Perhaps it's something to do with the regional culture...I don't know. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2017 2.21pm)
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| Stirlingsays 31 May 17 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Was Rohypnol available then?
Maybe when Jamie referred to 'the after dark'...he wasn't just talking about a place.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 May 17 2.22pm |
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May will be coated on the debate tonight, from all parties. Why won't she defend herself and her policies? Corbyn has played a blinder. Make or break tonight.
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| Part Time James 31 May 17 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
This sums it up for me. The outlook, whoever wins, is utterly ghastly so the only real choice is which particular brand of ghastliness you can more comfortably live with. This is a game I choose not to play. I won't be voting. My conscience simply won't permit it. I'm struggling to remember a time when we ever got to vote for anybody that wasn't a thunderous prat. I thought it was always a case of establishing which candidate compromised the fewest of your moral values.
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| matt_himself Matataland 31 May 17 2.25pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I don't ever remember moaning about May being unelected. She is as elected as any party leader can be: she won the support of Tory party members, so fair play. If you don't think May called this because she was certain of a landslide then I can't help you. Why else would she call it now, rather than 6 months ago? Her stock was high, and she thought she'd be coronated. Any loss would be penance for such hubris. Democracy shoudln't ever be taken for granted. I do believe you have changed your tune. And I have never commented on May's reason for calling the election in dialogue with you. Feel free to correct me if otherwise.
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