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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 07 Oct 16 4.57pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


What are you insiuating?
"White people playing divide and rule. We should not play their game"

What was this in response to? Is there any context to the remark? Or does the real context nullify any insinuations that whoever 'lifted' the comment wanted to get across? This is an oft used tactic throughout the media / social media.

1. Not sure about the White people bit - does the person she's replying to use the words. What else should she call white people? Honkeys?

2. Divide and rule was a feature of colonialism, as it is elsewhere, is she wrong in this? Abbot is saying to @bimadew that they shouldn't be divided is my interpretation.

3. Abbott is by no means my favourite MP. However the way she is vilified is similar to how Corbyn is treated by the media. No real substance - just nastiness.

What am I insinuating? She is either prejudice / racist or stupid. Quite possibly / probably both

The person she was replying to was black, she claimed she was talking about the British Empire. Which was of course complete horses***

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blackpalacefan Flag 07 Oct 16 5.13pm Send a Private Message to blackpalacefan Add blackpalacefan as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Diane Abbott is now Shadow Home Secretary:

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How can this opposition be taken seriously?

I'm not a labour voter but even though I disagreed with many of Corbens policies I liked that he stuck to his guns in the face of so many wanting him to leave. This is surely the final straw though. Diane Abbott!! Jobs for blunder prone f*ck buddies.

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 07 Oct 16 5.35pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

She has time and time again shown herself to be both racist and a total hypocrite.
How the funky she can be given the shadow home secretary is beyond belief,but then again he did used to bonk her in days past.
That in it self should make him not fit for purpose.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 16 6.02pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

What am I insinuating? She is either prejudice / racist or stupid. Quite possibly / probably both

The person she was replying to was black, she claimed she was talking about the British Empire. Which was of course complete horses***

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From the article...
It was a response to journalist Bim Adewunmi, who complained about the use of the terms "the black community" and "black community leaders" in the media.

Left wing labour MP in smear shocker!


Makes a bit more sense now.
I wouldn't call it racist, but it's near enough acceptable enough to pillorise her as much of the press have.
Storm in a teacup. And why didn't you use the context of the tweet yourself before putting it up.
Have you got anything other than a tweet where she could have used better phrased language?
Don't bother with the sending her son to private school because he wanted to go there, that's been done to death.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 16 6.07pm

Originally posted by elgrande

She has time and time again shown herself to be both racist and a total hypocrite.
How the funky she can be given the shadow home secretary is beyond belief,but then again he did used to bonk her in days past.
That in it self should make him not fit for purpose.

Racist or putting across a black perspective?

As for the bonk sentence...Corbyn isnt fit for purpose, not for his policies but because he bonked Abbott.

What a sophisticated argument.


Again I'll say she's not my favourite MP, but the vitriol against her is over the top ad full of smears.

Edited by nickgusset (07 Oct 2016 6.08pm)

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 07 Oct 16 6.17pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


From the article...
It was a response to journalist Bim Adewunmi, who complained about the use of the terms "the black community" and "black community leaders" in the media.

Left wing labour MP in smear shocker!


Makes a bit more sense now.
I wouldn't call it racist, but it's near enough acceptable enough to pillorise her as much of the press have.
Storm in a teacup. And why didn't you use the context of the tweet yourself before putting it up.
Have you got anything other than a tweet where she could have used better phrased language?
Don't bother with the sending her son to private school because he wanted to go there, that's been done to death.

The problem is Nick, she could have said it was poorly phrased and apologised. In stead she starting spouting a load of guff about how she was talking about the British Empire. That's why it became a bigger story than arguably it should have. Not so much the initial tweet, plenty of people have cocked up in 140 characters but her piss poor response.

Been done to death? ok then. Austerity has been done to death, UKIP (who I abhor)has been donme to death, the NHS done to death. So lets not talk about those either eh?

For the record, I have no problem in principle to people sending their kids to private schools. The system should be tweaked but as I say, in principle no problem. However as you have raised it, don't you find it odd someone so vehemently against private education should chose to use it?


 


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elgrande Flag bedford 07 Oct 16 7.21pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Racist or putting across a black perspective?

As for the bonk sentence...Corbyn isnt fit for purpose, not for his policies but because he bonked Abbott.

What a sophisticated argument.


Again I'll say she's not my favourite MP, but the vitriol against her is over the top ad full of smears.

Edited by nickgusset (07 Oct 2016 6.08pm)

I noticed you didn't mention the hypocrite part,and no nIck she is racist you know it but that doesn't fit your ideology does it,that a senior member of the luvvies can be such.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 16 7.25pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

The problem is Nick, she could have said it was poorly phrased and apologised.

Shadow Health Minister Diane Abbott has apologised for any offence caused by comments she made on Twitter, after claims they were racist.

She said she had not meant to generalise when she wrote: ''White people love playing 'divide & rule'".

It was a response to criticism of media use of "black community leaders" after the Stephen Lawrence murder trial.

In a statement, Ms Abbott said: "I apologise for any offence caused.

"I understand people have interpreted my comments as making generalisations about white people. I do not believe in doing that."
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In stead she starting spouting a load of guff about how she was talking about the British Empire. That's why it became a bigger story than arguably it should have. Not so much the initial tweet, plenty of people have cocked up in 140 characters but her piss poor response.

When was colonialism? - during the 'empire years' One would expect, as a black person, Abbott to havedifferent perspective on this period of time to a white person.

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Been done to death? ok then. Austerity has been done to death, UKIP (who I abhor)has been donme to death, the NHS done to death. So lets not talk about those either eh?


The NHS is in crisis, there is an on off junior doctors strike; austerity is recently being seen by some conservatives for what it is and the effects are wide reaching. I'm sure there was some news about UKIP yesterday. These things are complex and fluid.

Whenever Abbott is in the news , like being picked as shadow home secretary (possibly a mistake on Corbyn's part as her reputation seems shot)- the same single events are trotted out as ammunition against her.

What can you tell me about Abbotts position on anything? Probably nothing because the media play the person.

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For the record, I have no problem in principle to people sending their kids to private schools. The system should be tweaked but as I say, in principle no problem. However as you have raised it, don't you find it odd someone so vehemently against private education should chose to use it?

She wanted the best for her son. I am vehemently against grammar schools yet my son goes to one because that was his preferred choice and the one myself and Mrs Gusset thought he'd do well at. I'm not going to impede my sons ambitions - that would be bad parenting - but it still doesn't stop me from wanting all schools to be great schools where people of all backgrounds can go and flourish without selection beforehand.
We are all hypocritical in one respect or another. But we need to function as best as we can in the society we exist. Someone against nuclear power isn't going to cut off their electricity because that's where the power is generated from are they?


Edited by nickgusset (07 Oct 2016 7.27pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 16 7.26pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I noticed you didn't mention the hypocrite part,and no nIck she is racist you know it but that doesn't fit your ideology does it,that a senior member of the luvvies can be such.

See my post above. Give me a chance to respond man, I've bben cooking the kid's tea!

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 07 Oct 16 7.49pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

She wanted the best for her son. I am vehemently against grammar schools yet my son goes to one because that was his preferred choice and the one myself and Mrs Gusset thought he'd do well at. I'm not going to impede my sons ambitions - that would be bad parenting - but it still doesn't stop me from wanting all schools to be great schools where people of all backgrounds can go and flourish without selection beforehand.
We are all hypocritical in one respect or another. But we need to function as best as we can in the society we exist. Someone against nuclear power isn't going to cut off their electricity because that's where the power is generated from are they?


Edited by nickgusset (07 Oct 2016 7.27pm)

Her apology was only after she realised what a s*** storm it caused

Black people have a different perspective, no problem with that but then equally that should be accepted when it's the other way around. Providing of course the argument is put forward in the right manner.

It is a lot harder to select where your electricity comes from compared to your child's education. Of course parents want what is best for their children, it would appear however that some don't want others to have the same choice.

I listened to Diane Abbott the other day after the governments announcement that there would be more doctors. She rather obviously criticised the government but when asked what Labour would do she couldn't say. It does make it hard to form an opinion about her beliefs.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 07 Oct 16 7.52pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

She wanted the best for her son. I am vehemently against grammar schools yet my son goes to one because that was his preferred choice and the one myself and Mrs Gusset thought he'd do well at. I'm not going to impede my sons ambitions - that would be bad parenting - but it still doesn't stop me from wanting all schools to be great schools where people of all backgrounds can go and flourish without selection beforehand.
We are all hypocritical in one respect or another. But we need to function as best as we can in the society we exist. Someone against nuclear power isn't going to cut off their electricity because that's where the power is generated from are they?


Edited by nickgusset (07 Oct 2016 7.27pm)

Very noble nick,we all want the very best we can for our children.....but that's why grammar schools were about in the first place,helping kids from all backgrounds.
But it was your lot that decided they were all wrong,wonder how many of the current Labour party went/ or have sent their children to one.
It's the sheer hypocrisy of it that gets me.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Oct 16 8.05pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Very noble nick,we all want the very best we can for our children.....but that's why grammar schools were about in the first place,helping kids from all backgrounds.
But it was your lot that decided they were all wrong,wonder how many of the current Labour party went/ or have sent their children to one.
It's the sheer hypocrisy of it that gets me.

I'm sure it was a Thatcher government that stopped new grammars from opening.

 

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