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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 20 5.29pm | |
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Here is Tim Pool with an update on 'Suitcasegate'.
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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Dec 20 5.52pm | |
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Even if there is no actual fraud this doesn't look good and where were the state monitors.
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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 20 5.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Even if there is no actual fraud this doesn't look good and where were the state monitors. They weren't there for an hour and they shouldn't have been counting without them. They need to check what votes were registered at that time and that nothing was untoward. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2020 5.58pm)
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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 20 6.02pm | |
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If what Tim Pool says about the judge in Pennsylvania who dismissed the republican's case is true then that is also very concerning.
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cryrst The garden of England 05 Dec 20 7.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How to handle Trump, and the attitudes of his base, is going to be a problem for both parties going forward. It cannot though be allowed to dominate the immediate issue of bringing their virus problem under control but as Biden's term will start with the vaccine rollouts that path looks set to lead to better things. The Democrats will have the problem of balancing what the law demands for those who are guilty of crimes with the impact on seeking to heal the terrible divisions. The law cannot be ignored and no President ought to even try to interfere with it. Except via pardons! So maybe pardoning Trump and his family in a creative way, which limits their capacity to do any further damage, is Biden's way forward. I have no idea though of whether that is even possible. The Republicans must take back the soul of their party and restore it to its historic place of decency and integrity. If they don't they will remain on the margins until they do. The attitudes that lie behind Trump's base and his rise won't just disappear if these things happen. They are too deeply ingrained in part of America for that in the foreseeable future. The numbers who hold them can though gradually be reduced through education and experience. Show respect and understanding. Hold them up as cultural icons whose contribution to the USA story is valued and they won't feel so isolated and ignored. The others who were attracted to Trump, but only loosely connected to his base, are more easily prised away. Here's hoping. Are you actually accusing half of america of being led up the garden path? That is so disingenuous.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Dec 20 8.05pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Are you actually accusing half of america of being led up the garden path? That is so disingenuous. Short answer, no I am not. People voted for Trump for a variety of reasons. Quite a lot vote for who-ever is the Republican candidate, even if they hold their nose when they do so. How big his "base" really is, is an unknown, and whilst some of them were certainly "led up the garden path" not all were. Some hold some attitudes that are best described as being out of their time. In any case my comment was about how things might develop in the post-Trump era and not what caused it in the first place.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 05 Dec 20 8.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
They weren't there for an hour and they shouldn't have been counting without them. They need to check what votes were registered at that time and that nothing was untoward. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2020 5.58pm) So, as always it depends what you read - but the ballots had already been tallied by that point, and all that was left to do was to push them through the counting machines. Apparently it is a two step process - the machines don’t do it all. I posted previously that a republican has come out and said ‘no issue here’ so... However, I’d agree it does look a bit odd, mainly the under the table stashing - but the reasons given for no observers being there are because step one of the count had already been done, had observers or even the public wanted to stay they could have. Someone has also come out and said that even if all ballots were fraudulent in this case (highly unlikely), they only amounted to 10,000 and the margin I believe was 13,000. Not that that makes any difference, just thought it was worth noting. I’m more inclined to believe this account as republicans are involved. Unless we’re saying they’re part of this as well? Which seems a bit far fetched. Although as I said before - what’s the harm in an audit? Maybe the republican in charge just doesn’t want to waste time and money but I see it as a good opportunity to debunk, although maybe it’s irrelevant as I sense ‘people’ like Matthau wouldn’t be able to accept evidence contrary to their belief system even if they were holding it in their hands. Edited by SW19 CPFC (05 Dec 2020 8.53pm)
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 05 Dec 20 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Going after Trump would be just about the most stupid thing the Democrats could do. Even if it were done by their supporters it would make little difference in how it would be seen if it succeeded. But personally I hope they do it as it only quickens the inevitable process.....Essentially the republican elites will be made to respond to their base. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2020 8.10am) Surely the dems don’t need to - the IRS etc will handle that for them?
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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 20 9.10pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Surely the dems don’t need to - the IRS etc will handle that for them? Same thing.
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BlueJay UK 05 Dec 20 10.24pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
So, as always it depends what you read - but the ballots had already been tallied by that point, and all that was left to do was to push them through the counting machines. Apparently it is a two step process - the machines don’t do it all. I posted previously that a republican has come out and said ‘no issue here’ so... However, I’d agree it does look a bit odd, mainly the under the table stashing - but the reasons given for no observers being there are because step one of the count had already been done, had observers or even the public wanted to stay they could have. Someone has also come out and said that even if all ballots were fraudulent in this case (highly unlikely), they only amounted to 10,000 and the margin I believe was 13,000. Not that that makes any difference, just thought it was worth noting. I’m more inclined to believe this account as republicans are involved. Unless we’re saying they’re part of this as well? Which seems a bit far fetched. Although as I said before - what’s the harm in an audit? Maybe the republican in charge just doesn’t want to waste time and money but I see it as a good opportunity to debunk, although maybe it’s irrelevant as I sense ‘people’ like Matthau wouldn’t be able to accept evidence contrary to their belief system even if they were holding it in their hands. Edited by SW19 CPFC (05 Dec 2020 8.53pm) Yes, it's already been looked into and is perfectly above board. So many of these 'fraud' cases have been completely debunked now, and the majority of the time they aren't even pushed to the fore in good faith. Those praying for fraud to overturn a 7 million vote lead ought to realise that ever one of these debunked cases they latch onto isn't some kind of freebie. They each speaks to an emotional need to push for an outcome that simply isn't going to happen.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 05 Dec 20 10.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Same thing. Ha. Fine, same thing or not - if he’s in the s*** surely he should be flushed down with it Especially if it’s significant and wilful tax evasion
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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 20 10.37pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Yes, it's already been looked into and is perfectly above board. So many of these 'fraud' cases have been completely debunked now, and the majority of the time they aren't even pushed to the fore in good faith. Those praying for fraud to overturn a 7 million vote lead ought to realise that ever one of these debunked cases they latch onto isn't some kind of freebie. They each speaks to an emotional need to push for an outcome that simply isn't going to happen. Amusingly that's the very site that Tim Pool features on his video showing how it misleads and gets it wrong.
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