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Stirlingsays Flag 31 May 17 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Some of you would make excellent politicians. Either side totally blinkered views. Bickering like kids. Point scoring against each other. Who gives a f***, Whichever party leads our country will look after their chums, will remain detached from the working class and spout bollocks at every given oppotunity. I wont be voting, none of my family will be voting either. Its not interesting enough what the feck are we actually voting for.

It sounds like you're about to start singing a 'John Lennon' song.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 31 May 17 1.00pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

A coalition with the SNPs would probably mean he doesn't need to win back Scotland to get in to no10.

Brexit talks start a few days after the election so a hung parliament would be chaos. How May was allowed to call an election at this stage is beyond me. Staggering arrogance, and putting our country at risk in negotiations by doing so.

Firstly, Jezza has ruled out a coalition with the SNP.

Secondly, I do remember you being one of the 'progressives' bemoaning how May was an 'unelected' PM. You wanted her to call an election. Why the change of opinion now? It wouldn't be for purely political campaigning reasons, would it?

Finally, as Stirling said, Jezza agreed to the election. Does that equate him with 'staggering arrogance'?

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 31 May 17 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Some of you would make excellent politicians. Either side totally blinkered views. Bickering like kids. Point scoring against each other. Who gives a f***, Whichever party leads our country will look after their chums, will remain detached from the working class and spout bollocks at every given oppotunity. I wont be voting, none of my family will be voting either. Its not interesting enough what the feck are we actually voting for.

This sums it up for me. The outlook, whoever wins, is utterly ghastly so the only real choice is which particular brand of ghastliness you can more comfortably live with. This is a game I choose not to play.

I won't be voting. My conscience simply won't permit it.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 31 May 17 1.16pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

This sums it up for me. The outlook, whoever wins, is utterly ghastly so the only real choice is which particular brand of ghastliness you can more comfortably live with. This is a game I choose not to play.

I won't be voting. My conscience simply won't permit it.

And you are currently detained in HMP Maidstone, thus being temporarily removed from the electoral roll.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 31 May 17 1.34pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Firstly, Jezza has ruled out a coalition with the SNP.

Secondly, I do remember you being one of the 'progressives' bemoaning how May was an 'unelected' PM. You wanted her to call an election. Why the change of opinion now? It wouldn't be for purely political campaigning reasons, would it?

Finally, as Stirling said, Jezza agreed to the election. Does that equate him with 'staggering arrogance'?

I don't ever remember moaning about May being unelected. She is as elected as any party leader can be: she won the support of Tory party members, so fair play.

If you don't think May called this because she was certain of a landslide then I can't help you. Why else would she call it now, rather than 6 months ago? Her stock was high, and she thought she'd be coronated. Any loss would be penance for such hubris. Democracy shoudln't ever be taken for granted.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 31 May 17 1.35pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

And you are currently detained in HMP Maidstone, thus being temporarily removed from the electoral roll.

"No" means "yes" and no judge on this planet will change my mind.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 31 May 17 1.45pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

I don't ever remember moaning about May being unelected. She is as elected as any party leader can be: she won the support of Tory party members, so fair play.

If you don't think May called this because she was certain of a landslide then I can't help you. Why else would she call it now, rather than 6 months ago? Her stock was high, and she thought she'd be coronated. Any loss would be penance for such hubris. Democracy shoudln't ever be taken for granted.

No she didn't Leadsom pulled out before the members had a say, so she was elected by coronation, the very same thing she wrote an open letter in 2013 criticising Gordon Brown for and trying to goad him into a snap election. She's much less elected as a party leader than all of the others.

She should have called it prior to article 50 then it would really have been a Brexit election. This is not a Brexit election. The majority have now accepted Brexit and want to get on with it. Calling this election now was about nothing other than wanting to give herself a bigger majority and wiping out the opposition as an electoral force. She's tried to make this a presidential election but has made quite a poor fist of it so far. She believed she was so untouchable that she could fill her manifesto with unpopular and unfair policies and say virtually nothing about Brexit strategy.

A week is a long time in politics though and she could easily still get her landslide despite her deceit and hubris. Corbyn could make a hash of tonight's debate. The information we all get is from our own networks and from news outlets (i.e. second/third hand) so it's very hard to truly say how this is all playing out in people's minds and decision making across the country.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 31 May 17 1.48pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Brexit negotiations don't start till after the German elections anyway....So this is the only realistic viable window that doesn't actually interfere.

And of course, this election is only happening because Corbyn agreed with the timing with May and whipped his party into voting for it in the commons.

They're starting on 19 June 2017.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 31 May 17 1.53pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

All the shy (embarrassed to say/admit it in conversation) Tory voters will get May over the line with a majority. Everybody knows it.

It's interesting to look at the breakdown of polling demographics that suggest that the biggest predictor of voting intention is age, which is also the biggest indicator of how likely someone is to vote. It's a much bigger divide now than ever before and a much bigger divide than social class.

I've not read anything that satisfactorily explains why. It will be interesting to see how this evolves in 10-20 years time as those in 18-25 age brackets arrive into the middle aged brackets.

This would perhaps suggest that it's the low(er) of turnout in younger (and BME) voters that will get May her majority.

 

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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 31 May 17 2.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It sounds like you're about to start singing a 'John Lennon' song.

Imagine that

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 31 May 17 2.01pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

It's interesting to look at the breakdown of polling demographics that suggest that the biggest predictor of voting intention is age, which is also the biggest indicator of how likely someone is to vote. It's a much bigger divide now than ever before and a much bigger divide than social class.

I've not read anything that satisfactorily explains why. It will be interesting to see how this evolves in 10-20 years time as those in 18-25 age brackets arrive into the middle aged brackets.

This would perhaps suggest that it's the low(er) of turnout in younger (and BME) voters that will get May her majority.

People vote if they are interested in politics.

The older someone gets and the more sh1t they acquire the more likely they are in wanting to keep hold of it...ie income and assets....hence why more older voters turn to Tories.....The interest in politics ...when seen over large populations is....primarily self interest.

It's not going to change.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 31 May 17 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Imagine that

 


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