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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 12.34pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So it’s all about perception. Yes, of course, we all hope things will improve but there’s no actual evidence they will. Prior experience versus wishful thinking.

Then I would politely refer you to one of my enduring themes.

If your prior experience causes so much cynicism why don't you do something about it?

The answer is always in our own hands. Not as individuals but as a society. Political engagement and a willingness to take the steps necessary to ensure a more equitable system of representation is the key. Blaming those who we choose to represent us is a folly. We have only ourselves to blame.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 09 May 20 1.17pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then I would politely refer you to one of my enduring themes.

If your prior experience causes so much cynicism why don't you do something about it?

The answer is always in our own hands. Not as individuals but as a society. Political engagement and a willingness to take the steps necessary to ensure a more equitable system of representation is the key. Blaming those who we choose to represent us is a folly. We have only ourselves to blame.

It’s a flawed argument - if you live in Tottenham you’re stuck with the
Monomaniacal political giant that is David Lammy and there are many other examples. What do you suggest? Moving isn’t an option for many people.
Whose society? Tommy Robinson and Kehinde Andrews both live in the same society As do Jacob Rees-Mogg and Jeremy Corbyn.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It’s a flawed argument - if you live in Tottenham you’re stuck with the
Monomaniacal political giant that is David Lammy and there are many other examples. What do you suggest? Moving isn’t an option for many people.
Whose society? Tommy Robinson and Kehinde Andrews both live in the same society As do Jacob Rees-Mogg and Jeremy Corbyn.

No it's not flawed. We cannot control what happens individually, or locally, but if enough feel the same way then change can and will happen. Society will always possess it's fringes and nut cases. It's the bulk of us who are neither who can together make the difference.

If you feel unable to change your own MP then that's only because too many locally disagree with you. Doesn't matter though. If enough do elsewhere then the overall balance will change. You can still contribute to the arguments and reasoning. You can even directly campaign somewhere where you believe you can make a difference.

Your's is the flawed argument of apathy and it's this which holds us back.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 09 May 20 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No it's not flawed. We cannot control what happens individually, or locally, but if enough feel the same way then change can and will happen. Society will always possess it's fringes and nut cases. It's the bulk of us who are neither who can together make the difference.

If you feel unable to change your own MP then that's only because too many locally disagree with you. Doesn't matter though. If enough do elsewhere then the overall balance will change. You can still contribute to the arguments and reasoning. You can even directly campaign somewhere where you believe you can make a difference.

Your's is the flawed argument of apathy and it's this which holds us back.

It’s nothing to do with apathy it’s to do with identity. There are too many MPs in office because of who they are rather than what they represent.
Regarding every decision made by unqualified politicians as beyond reproach might work for Uriah Heep but is hardly the way forward.

 

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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 09 May 20 2.34pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Presumably the unbelievable way, is that there is 'nothing out of the ordinary to see here'. Let's be honest about this whole discussion on Hol. I can't even be bothered to name posters as it's relatively obvious. People just stick to the same tired opinion, lose the debate, stick to the same argument using different words, answer different questions to those being asked with repetitive platitudes - you're getting the picture.
The conclusion, not worth discussing with someone so entrenched in a particular opinion. They are unwilling to ever change tact whatever the debate. Always seeming to take the moral high ground, when actual real and living events prove entirely differently.
You have someone advocating for something not to be made public - when clearly many people want transparency. The same person calls for reports into other people, people who they don't agree with - and they see no irony or contradiction in anything they say, or post. There is no point continuing to point out anything to the person who clearly believes that they are always in the right and will never accept the argument of others. It's the three monkeys on the mantelpiece that you may as well debate with.

good post, some sense at last!

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 4.34pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It’s nothing to do with apathy it’s to do with identity. There are too many MPs in office because of who they are rather than what they represent.
Regarding every decision made by unqualified politicians as beyond reproach might work for Uriah Heep but is hardly the way forward.

Then if you deny apathy get moving and vote them out.

Much as I dislike Farage and his politics I was fully supportive of the way UKIP sprung up as a green shoots movement. People cared and they did something about it.

That's what needs to happen more.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 5.15pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Opposed to what?

How about "unbelievable"?

Not untrue! Just couched in language that people find difficult to comprehend, therefore make assumptions and jump to incorrect conclusions.

Just like some posters do here when they read my comments speculating on why the government might have decided to keep the report internal and make the assumption that I support that decision, when in fact I have not expressed any opinion on it all. Nor will I because, like everyone else, I don't know their reasons. I only know they must have some or they wouldn't be doing it.

It really isn't complicated but some folk want to build a whole structure upon a fairly obvious point.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 09 May 20 5.50pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then if you deny apathy get moving and vote them out.

Much as I dislike Farage and his politics I was fully supportive of the way UKIP sprung up as a green shoots movement. People cared and they did something about it.

That's what needs to happen more.

Well good luck with that in Hackney, or Tottenham or Tower Hamlets. Where I live I’m not going to convince people not to vote for the SNP in anything except local elections.


 

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Matov Flag 09 May 20 6.01pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your's is the flawed argument of apathy and it's this which holds us back.


As opposed to your argument of us just sitting back and trusting what the Government tell us?


In some ways, I rather admire the almost seamless schizophrenic ability of how you can switch positions with such ease. That is truly a skill.

And I usually try to avoid making it personal because it adds nothing to the debate but on this, your stance goes beyond the credible. I can forgive almost anything other than hypocrisy.

Edited by Matov (09 May 2020 6.05pm)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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dannyboy1978 Flag 09 May 20 10.09pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How about "unbelievable"?

Not untrue! Just couched in language that people find difficult to comprehend, therefore make assumptions and jump to incorrect conclusions.

Just like some posters do here when they read my comments speculating on why the government might have decided to keep the report internal and make the assumption that I support that decision, when in fact I have not expressed any opinion on it all. Nor will I because, like everyone else, I don't know their reasons. I only know they must have some or they wouldn't be doing it.

It really isn't complicated but some folk want to build a whole structure upon a fairly obvious point.

I think we all know the reason.
They publish a report that states there is a problem with Asian muslim's and that in turn will cause un rest against those communities.

The government treat us like children, we already know the truth it's widely published
Yet the government still refuse to admit it.

In this new world off #me to I think the government have a lot to answer to and people who are complicit to hiding true facts should be named.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 10.12pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Well good luck with that in Hackney, or Tottenham or Tower Hamlets. Where I live I’m not going to convince people not to vote for the SNP in anything except local elections.


There's life outside the inner London boroughs that are though accessible and more likely to be decent targets. If there is the will then the way can be found/

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 09 May 20 10.16pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There's life outside the inner London boroughs that are though accessible and more likely to be decent targets. If there is the will then the way can be found/

Pretty cold comfort when you live there. You could canvass and agitate for ever and it won’t make any difference.

 

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