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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 12.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So it’s all about perception. Yes, of course, we all hope things will improve but there’s no actual evidence they will. Prior experience versus wishful thinking. Then I would politely refer you to one of my enduring themes. If your prior experience causes so much cynicism why don't you do something about it? The answer is always in our own hands. Not as individuals but as a society. Political engagement and a willingness to take the steps necessary to ensure a more equitable system of representation is the key. Blaming those who we choose to represent us is a folly. We have only ourselves to blame.
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Teddy Eagle 09 May 20 1.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Then I would politely refer you to one of my enduring themes. If your prior experience causes so much cynicism why don't you do something about it? The answer is always in our own hands. Not as individuals but as a society. Political engagement and a willingness to take the steps necessary to ensure a more equitable system of representation is the key. Blaming those who we choose to represent us is a folly. We have only ourselves to blame. It’s a flawed argument - if you live in Tottenham you’re stuck with the
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 2.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It’s a flawed argument - if you live in Tottenham you’re stuck with the No it's not flawed. We cannot control what happens individually, or locally, but if enough feel the same way then change can and will happen. Society will always possess it's fringes and nut cases. It's the bulk of us who are neither who can together make the difference. If you feel unable to change your own MP then that's only because too many locally disagree with you. Doesn't matter though. If enough do elsewhere then the overall balance will change. You can still contribute to the arguments and reasoning. You can even directly campaign somewhere where you believe you can make a difference. Your's is the flawed argument of apathy and it's this which holds us back.
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Teddy Eagle 09 May 20 2.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it's not flawed. We cannot control what happens individually, or locally, but if enough feel the same way then change can and will happen. Society will always possess it's fringes and nut cases. It's the bulk of us who are neither who can together make the difference. If you feel unable to change your own MP then that's only because too many locally disagree with you. Doesn't matter though. If enough do elsewhere then the overall balance will change. You can still contribute to the arguments and reasoning. You can even directly campaign somewhere where you believe you can make a difference. Your's is the flawed argument of apathy and it's this which holds us back. It’s nothing to do with apathy it’s to do with identity. There are too many MPs in office because of who they are rather than what they represent.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 09 May 20 2.34pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Presumably the unbelievable way, is that there is 'nothing out of the ordinary to see here'. Let's be honest about this whole discussion on Hol. I can't even be bothered to name posters as it's relatively obvious. People just stick to the same tired opinion, lose the debate, stick to the same argument using different words, answer different questions to those being asked with repetitive platitudes - you're getting the picture. good post, some sense at last!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 4.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It’s nothing to do with apathy it’s to do with identity. There are too many MPs in office because of who they are rather than what they represent. Then if you deny apathy get moving and vote them out. Much as I dislike Farage and his politics I was fully supportive of the way UKIP sprung up as a green shoots movement. People cared and they did something about it. That's what needs to happen more.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 5.15pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Opposed to what? How about "unbelievable"? Not untrue! Just couched in language that people find difficult to comprehend, therefore make assumptions and jump to incorrect conclusions. Just like some posters do here when they read my comments speculating on why the government might have decided to keep the report internal and make the assumption that I support that decision, when in fact I have not expressed any opinion on it all. Nor will I because, like everyone else, I don't know their reasons. I only know they must have some or they wouldn't be doing it. It really isn't complicated but some folk want to build a whole structure upon a fairly obvious point.
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Teddy Eagle 09 May 20 5.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Then if you deny apathy get moving and vote them out. Much as I dislike Farage and his politics I was fully supportive of the way UKIP sprung up as a green shoots movement. People cared and they did something about it. That's what needs to happen more. Well good luck with that in Hackney, or Tottenham or Tower Hamlets. Where I live I’m not going to convince people not to vote for the SNP in anything except local elections.
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Matov 09 May 20 6.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your's is the flawed argument of apathy and it's this which holds us back.
And I usually try to avoid making it personal because it adds nothing to the debate but on this, your stance goes beyond the credible. I can forgive almost anything other than hypocrisy. Edited by Matov (09 May 2020 6.05pm)
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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dannyboy1978 09 May 20 10.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How about "unbelievable"? Not untrue! Just couched in language that people find difficult to comprehend, therefore make assumptions and jump to incorrect conclusions. Just like some posters do here when they read my comments speculating on why the government might have decided to keep the report internal and make the assumption that I support that decision, when in fact I have not expressed any opinion on it all. Nor will I because, like everyone else, I don't know their reasons. I only know they must have some or they wouldn't be doing it. I think we all know the reason. The government treat us like children, we already know the truth it's widely published In this new world off #me to I think the government have a lot to answer to and people who are complicit to hiding true facts should be named.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 10.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Well good luck with that in Hackney, or Tottenham or Tower Hamlets. Where I live I’m not going to convince people not to vote for the SNP in anything except local elections. There's life outside the inner London boroughs that are though accessible and more likely to be decent targets. If there is the will then the way can be found/
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Teddy Eagle 09 May 20 10.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There's life outside the inner London boroughs that are though accessible and more likely to be decent targets. If there is the will then the way can be found/ Pretty cold comfort when you live there. You could canvass and agitate for ever and it won’t make any difference.
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