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 matt_himself  Matataland 31 May 17 11.18am |
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I cannot help but think that the 'hung parliament shocker' is driven by Lynton Crosby to remove complacency from the Tories and highlight the danger of electing the looneys to the public. The figures just don't add up. A poll in the Guardian today says that the Tories lead is reduced to 12%. The Tories have been consistently ahead. Labour aren't making any headway in Scotland. How does this scenario pan out?
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| matt_himself Matataland 31 May 17 11.18am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Wrong,wrong and wrong, again Though I do detect the potential for a pulp novelist.. I do love you when you accelerate from fifth gear into plain bonkers mode... Edited by legaleagle (31 May 2017 9.35am) The lady doth protest too much.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 31 May 17 11.26am |
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No one is Trump, I'm still not convinced that even Trump is Trump. Corbyn's prospects look better now than six months ago, but I wouldn't say they're good. It'd take something pretty special to deliver a win for Corbyn. Of course the fact that most of the objections about him seem to be about him and his connection to the IRA some thirty odd years ago, and not his policies seems to suggest that he might well be underestimated by those on the right who seem to have gotten locked into the same kind of dangerous thinking that the Democrats did over Trump (attacking the person, not the policy and the practicality of it).
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| Stirlingsays 31 May 17 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
No one is Trump, I'm still not convinced that even Trump is Trump. Corbyn's prospects look better now than six months ago, but I wouldn't say they're good. It'd take something pretty special to deliver a win for Corbyn. Of course the fact that most of the objections about him seem to be about him and his connection to the IRA some thirty odd years ago, and not his policies seems to suggest that he might well be underestimated by those on the right who seem to have gotten locked into the same kind of dangerous thinking that the Democrats did over Trump (attacking the person, not the policy and the practicality of it). Many on the left and even a few on the right are over the top obsessional with attacking Trump. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't attack politics that they don't agree with....however, plenty of them take it personally...it's so hyperbolic, Trump may not be very nice but he is not the son of the devil, and honestly their reactions are no better than the ridiculous behaviour of the republican tea party during Obama's time. Listening to their commentary they obsessionally look for anything to attack him with....I mean this guy is a known liar and s*** talker and hilariously they bring up his inconsistencies as though they think they are revealing something new to those who voted Trump or supported him. They still don't seem to get how this guy triumphed against all the odds and why. Perhaps they just can't. Since that American election I've become far more aware of one eyed journalism......how they subtlety control the narrative by selectively controlling the news items covered and by what messages are sent.....obviously we all know they do that but I never quite realized till quite recently how.....deliberately political it is.
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| Stirlingsays 31 May 17 12.25pm |
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When I say Corbyn is not Trump I mean that the reasons that Trump won are just not quite the same for Corbyn. Also, Corbyn simply doesn't have that alpha male dynamic which Trump employs and which won him a lot of their votes....that demographic that our 'feminized' society likes to demonise so much....Women's votes too...A lot of women actually quite like aspects of Trump. Modern feminism isn't actually that popular within the female population. They have been starved of any representatives for so long that they were prepared to take Trump.....Better than the on message wimps we so usually get.....though I he didn't actually say that much I poltically agreed with....apart from being pro British and anti EU....or so he said.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 31 May 17 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Many on the left and even a few on the right are over the top obsessional with attacking Trump. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't attack politics that they don't agree with....however, plenty of them take it personally...it's so hyperbolic, Trump may not be very nice but he is not the son of the devil, and honestly their reactions are no better than the ridiculous behaviour of the republican tea party during Obama's time. Listening to their commentary they obsessionally look for anything to attack him with....I mean this guy is a known liar and s*** talker and hilariously they bring up his inconsistencies as though they think they are revealing something new to those who voted Trump or supported him. They still don't seem to get how this guy triumphed against all the odds and why. Perhaps they just can't. Since that American election I've become far more aware of one eyed journalism......how they subtlety control the narrative by selectively controlling the news items covered and by what messages are sent.....obviously we all know they do that but I never quite realized till quite recently how.....deliberately political it is. It does surprise me how they focus on rather trivial things, rather than actually on the reality. Its astonishing how much on say the Evil of the Healthcare bill, and not on how it was 'totally at odds with his election campaign promises'. Something which probably would win over working class republicans, who effectively been lied to. That's really what they should focus on. That said, he is an idiot man child f**k up on legs (possibly Russian legs) sloughing towards Bethlehem, trying to take the democratic system with him as he goes. Which really says more about how poor the democratic candidates were in that they couldn't beat an idiot egotist, who's only real policies were repeating slogans over and over.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 31 May 17 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Question, one made by me a few times yet unanswered - how will Corbyn win if he doesn't get back Scotland? A coalition with the SNPs would probably mean he doesn't need to win back Scotland to get in to no10. Brexit talks start a few days after the election so a hung parliament would be chaos. How May was allowed to call an election at this stage is beyond me. Staggering arrogance, and putting our country at risk in negotiations by doing so.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 31 May 17 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Down to around 3/1 in the bookies. What odds on you CF? Corbyn seems to have picked up a Trump like head of steam now. No matter what s*** they fling at him, he is coming through unscathed. Will May be Clinton? Well, I'm not standing so the bookies would struggle to make a book on it. The sh*t surrounding Corbyn isn't going to go away and it'll take more than handing out home-made jars of jam on The One Show to get him into No. 10. Middle England will turn out in droves to keep him out.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 May 17 12.34pm |
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All the shy (embarrassed to say/admit it in conversation) Tory voters will get May over the line with a majority. Everybody knows it.
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| bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 31 May 17 12.34pm |
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Some of you would make excellent politicians. Either side totally blinkered views. Bickering like kids. Point scoring against each other. Who gives a f***, Whichever party leads our country will look after their chums, will remain detached from the working class and spout bollocks at every given oppotunity. I wont be voting, none of my family will be voting either. Its not interesting enough what the feck are we actually voting for.
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| Stirlingsays 31 May 17 12.38pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It does surprise me how they focus on rather trivial things, rather than actually on the reality. Its astonishing how much on say the Evil of the Healthcare bill, and not on how it was 'totally at odds with his election campaign promises'. Something which probably would win over working class republicans, who effectively been lied to. That's really what they should focus on. That said, he is an idiot man child f**k up on legs (possibly Russian legs) sloughing towards Bethlehem, trying to take the democratic system with him as he goes. Which really says more about how poor the democratic candidates were in that they couldn't beat an idiot egotist, who's only real policies were repeating slogans over and over. When it comes to Trump's opponents I think they just use the wrong strategy with him all the time. All this 'Trump's an idiot' doesn't help them. Instead a focus upon the policies and how their own are better would help them more. Like you say with Trump and the republican's health bill...there are plenty of angles of attack. Trump is a master at confrontation and bluster. Sure they can politically stand toe to toe with a puncher but it's generally not advised....Not unless you also have a politician who can generally hold their own doing that...otherwise it never crosses over. I'm generally fascinated with how Trump is going to do...I want to see how American protectionism works....Will he actually do it or just strike 'better' deals ....America almost has the capacity for self reliance. If a miracle happened and Corbyn won...a small part of me would be excited about it...despite all my defence and economic fears about him. What would be exciting is the completely different approach to everything. I suppose...if nothing else...You can occasionally get that with politics.
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| Stirlingsays 31 May 17 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
A coalition with the SNPs would probably mean he doesn't need to win back Scotland to get in to no10. Brexit talks start a few days after the election so a hung parliament would be chaos. How May was allowed to call an election at this stage is beyond me. Staggering arrogance, and putting our country at risk in negotiations by doing so.
And of course, this election is only happening because Corbyn agreed with the timing with May and whipped his party into voting for it in the commons.
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