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BlueJay UK 03 Jun 22 7.11pm
I find that most people are on the same or similar page regarding Ukraine regardless of politics. Ideas that are so pro Russians it's risible (considering the disturbing Russia pushed view of Ukranian identity, their barbaric invasion, and their ludicrous propoganda to get people onside) rightly come in for criticism.
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BlueJay

UK 03 Jun 22 7.11pm

I find that most people are on the same or similar page regarding Ukraine regardless of politics. Ideas that are so pro Russians it's risible (considering the disturbing Russia pushed view of Ukranian identity, their barbaric invasion, and their ludicrous propoganda to get people onside) rightly come in for criticism.

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Stirlingsays 03 Jun 22 7.16pm
Originally posted by georgenorman The party describes itself as "a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party". Ok.....I'm not that sure why you want to argue the toss on this but on its own website it clearly states: 'The Social Democratic Party is a political party in the United Kingdom established in 1990. Ideologically, the SDP combines social conservatism with centre-left economic policy and support for a social market economy. ' I get it, you aren't a conservative by your own words and so you'd wouldn't agree with most opinions Matov or W12 would hold. It's cool. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Jun 22 7.16pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

The party describes itself as "a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party".

Ok.....I'm not that sure why you want to argue the toss on this but on its own website it clearly states:

'The Social Democratic Party is a political party in the United Kingdom established in 1990. Ideologically, the SDP combines social conservatism with centre-left economic policy and support for a social market economy. '

I get it, you aren't a conservative by your own words and so you'd wouldn't agree with most opinions Matov or W12 would hold.

It's cool.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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georgenorman 03 Jun 22 7.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ok.....I'm not that sure why you want to argue the toss on this but on its own website it clearly states: 'The Social Democratic Party is a political party in the United Kingdom established in 1990. Ideologically, the SDP combines social conservatism with centre-left economic policy and support for a social market economy. ' I get it, you aren't a conservative by your own words and so you'd wouldn't agree with most opinions Matov or W12 would hold. It's cool. Well, apart from his unswerving devotion to Putin and his works, W12 also thinks all Americans should be able to own whatever guns and automatic weapons they want. As both stances lead to the slaughter of innocent men, women and children, no I wouldn't agree with him.
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georgenorman

03 Jun 22 7.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ok.....I'm not that sure why you want to argue the toss on this but on its own website it clearly states:

I get it, you aren't a conservative by your own words and so you'd wouldn't agree with most opinions Matov or W12 would hold.

It's cool.

Well, apart from his unswerving devotion to Putin and his works, W12 also thinks all Americans should be able to own whatever guns and automatic weapons they want. As both stances lead to the slaughter of innocent men, women and children, no I wouldn't agree with him.

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Stirlingsays 03 Jun 22 7.29pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Well, apart from his unswerving devotion to Putin and his works, W12 also thinks all Americans should be able to own whatever guns and automatic weapons they want. As both stances lead to the slaughter of innocent men, women and children, no I wouldn't agree with him. Ok, but you probably agree with them on plenty of other situations....if you are really a small 'c'. Do you not think that these positions can be used to use progressive agendas that work against your own 'small c' conservatism? For example, the Zelensky regime in Ukraine is fine with the 'gay disco' and pushing degeneracy into its mainly socially conservative nation.....exactly the same as happened to ours. Are you not aware of what's been done to our children now? And the fact that....while I agree with you that not everybody should have access to guns....that a lot of people agreeing with you on gun controls would like nothing better than to disarm republicans rather than have any real concern on general gun ownership. They wouldn't stop...it's a false partnership as it were....they will use your own concern against you. The elites themselves won't give up any guns because they say they are under threat, which isn't a lie, yet they will gladly disarm others in vulnerable situations......it's from the same party that went with 'defund the Police' until they were 'elected'. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 7.36pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Jun 22 7.29pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Ok, but you probably agree with them on plenty of other situations....if you are really a small 'c'.

Do you not think that these positions can be used to use progressive agendas that work against your own 'small c' conservatism?

For example, the Zelensky regime in Ukraine is fine with the 'gay disco' and pushing degeneracy into its mainly socially conservative nation.....exactly the same as happened to ours. Are you not aware of what's been done to our children now?

And the fact that....while I agree with you that not everybody should have access to guns....that a lot of people agreeing with you on gun controls would like nothing better than to disarm republicans rather than have any real concern on general gun ownership. They wouldn't stop...it's a false partnership as it were....they will use your own concern against you.

The elites themselves won't give up any guns because they say they are under threat, which isn't a lie, yet they will gladly disarm others in vulnerable situations......it's from the same party that went with 'defund the Police' until they were 'elected'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 7.36pm)

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georgenorman 03 Jun 22 8.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ok, but you probably agree with them on plenty of other situations....if you are really a small 'c'. Do you not think that these positions can be used to use progressive agendas that work against your own 'small c' conservatism? For example, the Zelensky regime in Ukraine is fine with the 'gay disco' and pushing degeneracy into its mainly socially conservative nation.....exactly the same as happened to ours. Are you not aware of what's been done to our children now? And the fact that....while I agree with you that not everybody should have access to guns....that a lot of people agreeing with you on gun controls would like nothing better than to disarm republicans rather than have any real concern on general gun ownership. They wouldn't stop...it's a false partnership as it were....they will use your own concern against you. The elites themselves won't give up any guns because they say they are under threat, which isn't a lie, yet they will gladly disarm others in vulnerable situations......it's from the same party that went with 'defund the Police' until they were 'elected'. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 7.36pm) I think W12 could be described as a small 'c'. All this about elites making just the republicans give up their guns is just conspiracy theory waffle. I don't care much about 'gay discos' as long as I don't have to dance. Edited by georgenorman (03 Jun 2022 8.07pm)
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georgenorman

03 Jun 22 8.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ok, but you probably agree with them on plenty of other situations....if you are really a small 'c'.

Do you not think that these positions can be used to use progressive agendas that work against your own 'small c' conservatism?

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 7.36pm)

I think W12 could be described as a small 'c'.

All this about elites making just the republicans give up their guns is just conspiracy theory waffle.

I don't care much about 'gay discos' as long as I don't have to dance.

Edited by georgenorman (03 Jun 2022 8.07pm)

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Stirlingsays 03 Jun 22 8.21pm
Originally posted by georgenorman I think W12 could be described as a small 'c'. All this about elites making just the republicans give up their guns is just conspiracy theory waffle. I don't care much about 'gay discos' as long as I don't have to dance. Edited by georgenorman (03 Jun 2022 8.07pm) You do realise that I'm not actually talking about 'gay discos' don't you George. Never mind, I think I get your politics now. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Jun 22 8.21pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

I think W12 could be described as a small 'c'.

All this about elites making just the republicans give up their guns is just conspiracy theory waffle.

I don't care much about 'gay discos' as long as I don't have to dance.

Edited by georgenorman (03 Jun 2022 8.07pm)

You do realise that I'm not actually talking about 'gay discos' don't you George.

Never mind, I think I get your politics now.

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BlueJay UK 03 Jun 22 8.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ok, but you probably agree with them on plenty of other situations....if you are really a small 'c'. Do you not think that these positions can be used to use progressive agendas that work against your own 'small c' conservatism? For example, the Zelensky regime in Ukraine is fine with the 'gay disco' and pushing degeneracy into its mainly socially conservative nation.....exactly the same as happened to ours. Are you not aware of what's been done to our children now? Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 7.36pm) George isn't the only one showing a small c in this thread. A strange attempt to butter a poster up as part of some kind of 'club' instead of just accepting that they have their own views on topics and posters. It's beyond out there to infer that a poster should somehow 'come around' on this war or view it differently, because of what you perceive to be Zelensky's view of gay people, or degenerates who endanger children as you prefer to call them. Dehumanising and demonising individuals into a blob rather than peoples with diverse perspectives like everyone else. Yes, let's let Russia win, in case they get their own version of Christopher Biggins. I've got to hand it to you, after posting an obscure quote from a mayor who in his next sentence following it said he wanted to kill gay people, you're really excelling yourself [Link] I and most others here are hardly waving rainbow flags, but most fall short of this unnerving far right fixation along with slurs targetting said groups. I'd rather 'gay disco' it (whatever this latest juvenile far right 'dork web' level term means), than read the kind of contributions that would likely appeal to the next David Copeland. Edited by BlueJay (04 Jun 2022 2.08pm)
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BlueJay

UK 03 Jun 22 8.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ok, but you probably agree with them on plenty of other situations....if you are really a small 'c'.

Do you not think that these positions can be used to use progressive agendas that work against your own 'small c' conservatism?

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 7.36pm)

George isn't the only one showing a small c in this thread. A strange attempt to butter a poster up as part of some kind of 'club' instead of just accepting that they have their own views on topics and posters.

It's beyond out there to infer that a poster should somehow 'come around' on this war or view it differently, because of what you perceive to be Zelensky's view of gay people, or degenerates who endanger children as you prefer to call them. Dehumanising and demonising individuals into a blob rather than peoples with diverse perspectives like everyone else.

Yes, let's let Russia win, in case they get their own version of Christopher Biggins. I've got to hand it to you, after posting an obscure quote from a mayor who in his next sentence following it said he wanted to kill gay people, you're really excelling yourself [Link]

I and most others here are hardly waving rainbow flags, but most fall short of this unnerving far right fixation along with slurs targetting said groups. I'd rather 'gay disco' it (whatever this latest juvenile far right 'dork web' level term means), than read the kind of contributions that would likely appeal to the next David Copeland.

Edited by BlueJay (04 Jun 2022 2.08pm)

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Stirlingsays 03 Jun 22 8.40pm
BlueGay does love to post a lot doesn't he. I don't really have much time to post much today but I will address some of this gay stuff in the next couple of days. But my time over these next couple of years will be restricted to a project I need to work on.....so the Hol, will probably become a lot more gay disco unfortunately. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 8.41pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Jun 22 8.40pm

BlueGay does love to post a lot doesn't he.

I don't really have much time to post much today but I will address some of this gay stuff in the next couple of days.

But my time over these next couple of years will be restricted to a project I need to work on.....so the Hol, will probably become a lot more gay disco unfortunately.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 8.41pm)

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glazedallover Allier 03 Jun 22 9.17pm
hallelujah.
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Allier 03 Jun 22 9.17pm

hallelujah.

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georgenorman 03 Jun 22 9.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays BlueGay does love to post a lot doesn't he. I don't really have much time to post much today but I will address some of this gay stuff in the next couple of days. But my time over these next couple of years will be restricted to a project I need to work on.....so the Hol, will probably become a lot more gay disco unfortunately. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 8.41pm) Invading Poland?!
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georgenorman

03 Jun 22 9.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

BlueGay does love to post a lot doesn't he.

I don't really have much time to post much today but I will address some of this gay stuff in the next couple of days.

But my time over these next couple of years will be restricted to a project I need to work on.....so the Hol, will probably become a lot more gay disco unfortunately.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 8.41pm)

Invading Poland?!

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Stirlingsays 03 Jun 22 9.58pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Invading Poland?! Yes George, I'm going to invade Poland. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 10.00pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Jun 22 9.58pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Invading Poland?!

Yes George, I'm going to invade Poland.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 10.00pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jun 22 10.48am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays BlueGay does love to post a lot doesn't he. I don't really have much time to post much today but I will address some of this gay stuff in the next couple of days. But my time over these next couple of years will be restricted to a project I need to work on.....so the Hol, will probably become a lot more gay disco unfortunately. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 8.41pm) I might be fun to speculate on what project could be this absorbing, given the amount of time spent here. Here's one from me:- An appointment to become Bradford's community relations co-ordinator as they prepare for their year as the UK City of Culture in 2025. Any other ideas? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 04 Jun 22 10.48am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

BlueGay does love to post a lot doesn't he.

I don't really have much time to post much today but I will address some of this gay stuff in the next couple of days.

But my time over these next couple of years will be restricted to a project I need to work on.....so the Hol, will probably become a lot more gay disco unfortunately.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jun 2022 8.41pm)

I might be fun to speculate on what project could be this absorbing, given the amount of time spent here. Here's one from me:-

An appointment to become Bradford's community relations co-ordinator as they prepare for their year as the UK City of Culture in 2025.

Any other ideas?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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