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 Stirlingsays  14 Jul 22 8.58am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Yeah but he's not Trump And not orange...could possibly be called a plum.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jul 22 9.32am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Once again, yes it was democratically elected. I'm still waiting for the proof it wasn't. The government didn't 'oust' the president the parliament voted to, which apparently wasn't legal. Here's how your precious Wikipedia describes it: 'The Revolution of Dignity took place in Ukraine in February 2014 at the end of the Euromaidan protests, when deadly clashes between protesters and the security forces in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv culminated in the ousting of elected President Viktor Yanukovych and the overthrow of the Ukrainian government.' What's quite plain to me is that the west interfered and caused unrest which has led directly to the Ukraine being destroyed. This was all being warned about years ago. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2022 11.48pm) Once again, with strong rumours of widespread vote rigging. I have neither the time, or interest, in searching for the "proof" especially as I am certain you wouldn't accept it. What is proven is that an uprising happened, and a new election returned a different government. The Parliament did vote out the pro-Russia President, and the only one to suggest that such a vote was "illegal" was Putin. There's a surprise! As is that you appear to agree. As no-one from the west was involved in that vote, how did they interfere? Ukraine had been making moves towards the EU before Yanukovych turned east, and it was this that caused the uprising. I don't doubt that there were encouraging contacts between the EU and Ukraine, but that's not interference. It's co-operation. Only people like Putin, and it seems you, see them as sinister.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Jul 22 9.44am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Once again, with strong rumours of widespread vote rigging. I have neither the time, or interest, in searching for the "proof" especially as I am certain you wouldn't accept it. What is proven is that an uprising happened, and a new election returned a different government. The Parliament did vote out the pro-Russia President, and the only one to suggest that such a vote was "illegal" was Putin. There's a surprise! As is that you appear to agree. As no-one from the west was involved in that vote, how did they interfere? Ukraine had been making moves towards the EU before Yanukovych turned east, and it was this that caused the uprising. I don't doubt that there were encouraging contacts between the EU and Ukraine, but that's not interference. It's co-operation. Only people like Putin, and it seems you, see them as sinister. I see the interference into Ukrainian politics as having led to today's destruction, yes. I agree with Jordan Peterson, Peter Hitchens and plenty of others on the disastrous policies that led to this terrible war. Like Peterson and Hitchens I also agree with the criticisms of Russia under Putin.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jul 22 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I see the interference into Ukrainian politics as having led to today's destruction, yes. I agree with Jordan Peterson, Peter Hitchens and plenty of others on the disastrous policies that led to this terrible war. Like Peterson and Hitchens I also agree with the criticisms of Russia under Putin.
Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2022 11.54am) You are, for once, right because it was interference into Ukrainian politics that was the precursor to this war. The interference though came from Putin, who found ways to install his man into the Presidency, which in turn caused the uprising and gave him the excuse to invade Crimea. As this is the US politics thread, best we leave this here. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jul 2022 2.05pm)
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| Stirlingsays 14 Jul 22 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are, for once, right because it was interference into Ukrainian politics that was the precursor to this war. The interference though came from Putin, who found ways to install his man into the Presidency, which in turn caused the uprising and gave him the excuse to invade Crimea. As this is the US politics thread, best we leave this here. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jul 2022 2.05pm) Just about the only thing we can agree on. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2022 2.17pm)
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 16 Jul 22 1.25am |
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Biden calls out the Saudi prince on murdering the journalist- no way mr president- don"tupset the Saudis or tell the truth- go down the CON servative route- accidents happen, lets move on!
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Teddy Eagle  16 Jul 22 1.34am |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Biden calls out the Saudi prince on murdering the journalist- no way mr president- don"tupset the Saudis or tell the truth- go down the CON servative route- accidents happen, lets move on!
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cryrst  The garden of England 16 Jul 22 4.34am |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Biden calls out the Saudi prince on murdering the journalist- no way mr president- don"tupset the Saudis or tell the truth- go down the CON servative route- accidents happen, lets move on! If he hadn’t fecked up the economy and need voters back onside he wouldn’t have touched it. It’s all about votes and power. Although this is the USA thread so well done for shoehorning the tories bad in there !!!
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Jul 22 4.27pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If he hadn’t fecked up the economy and need voters back onside he wouldn’t have touched it. It’s all about votes and power. Although this is the USA thread so well done for shoehorning the tories bad in there !!! Oil!
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Jul 22 4.30pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Biden is street Teddy- but can you remember "the Don" line dancing with 40 Saudi princes- then turning to his mrs and saying that was beautiful, just beautiful!
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| Teddy Eagle 16 Jul 22 4.33pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Biden is street Teddy- but can you remember "the Don" line dancing with 40 Saudi princes- then turning to his mrs and saying that was beautiful, just beautiful! Most peo
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| Teddy Eagle 16 Jul 22 4.35pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Most people moved out of that particular street in about 1991.
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