Your 2nd paragraph is, imo, outrageous. Are you saying these systematic rapes of young girls is a “fuss” ? Plenty of mud to hurl around! Like possibly demanding answers as to lack of action? It’s okay for the media to hurl mud at Tommy Robinson though (I am not a fan by the way)

If I might step away from the subject matter briefly, the debate itself here is interesting. On the one hand we have those who trust the state and those who don't. We have those who see this as perhaps a wider political debate and shift of power.

We live in interesting times.
I don't think anyone disputes the heinous nature of the crime or that it was a crime replicated across the country. But I wonder to all those on here spouting aggression and insults here on both sides. If the report had been published years ago, published last month or is published next week what are YOU going to do about it? How would YOU change things and stop this happening. By this I don't mean 'string em up and chop off their nuts,', unless you are seriously saying you are prepared personally to do that. Fight back. Otherwise you are I assume leaving punishment in the hands of those you see as part of the problem.

You know perfectly well that's not what was meant at all.

The "fuss" referred to is about the report's publication and not it's subject.

This is all about HOW best to deal with this issue and not at all whether it needs to be dealt with!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

So it’s all about perception. Yes, of course, we all hope things will improve but there’s no actual evidence they will. Prior experience versus wishful thinking.

A vigilante would probably send a typical 'victim' to a kebab shop and see if she gets invited to a 'party'.

It's gotta be on very shaky legal ground ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 May 2020 10.54am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Presumably the unbelievable way, is that there is 'nothing out of the ordinary to see here'. Let's be honest about this whole discussion on Hol. I can't even be bothered to name posters as it's relatively obvious. People just stick to the same tired opinion, lose the debate, stick to the same argument using different words, answer different questions to those being asked with repetitive platitudes - you're getting the picture.
The conclusion, not worth discussing with someone so entrenched in a particular opinion. They are unwilling to ever change tact whatever the debate. Always seeming to take the moral high ground, when actual real and living events prove entirely differently.
You have someone advocating for something not to be made public - when clearly many people want transparency. The same person calls for reports into other people, people who they don't agree with - and they see no irony or contradiction in anything they say, or post. There is no point continuing to point out anything to the person who clearly believes that they are always in the right and will never accept the argument of others. It's the three monkeys on the mantelpiece that you may as well debate with.

Red and Blue Army!