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Teddy Eagle 10 May 24 12.15pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Teddy Eagle just in case you were wondering. The UK mortality rate was 0.9% Obviously we now know that death by covid was greatly over exagerated. Even falling off a ladder or being hit by a bus once you had a "positive" test you died from covid. I would say that would be be closer to 0.4/5 in anycase that still leaves a over 99% survival rate. It seemed the younger population had every risk in taking the vaccine and no benefits. Yes, the whole dying with or dying of debate.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 May 24 1.00pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Teddy Eagle just in case you were wondering. The UK mortality rate was 0.9% Obviously we now know that death by covid was greatly over exagerated. Even falling off a ladder or being hit by a bus once you had a "positive" test you died from covid. I would say that would be be closer to 0.4/5 in anycase that still leaves a over 99% survival rate. It seemed the younger population had every risk in taking the vaccine and no benefits. That’s nonsense. We don’t know how many died of it whose infection went unreported. We do know that around 1% of those whose infection was known died in the early months. Whether they had comorbidities or not is irrelevant. If being infected was the final straw that’s what they died from. We all have a comorbidity. It’s called life. It’s terminal.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 May 24 1.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Yes, the whole dying with or dying of debate. It’s not a debate. It’s an excuse. If you die you are dead. Whether you were suffering from multiple problems and a Covid infection was the last then it was Covid that killed you. Without it you would still be alive, unless your time had come anyway, and that could happen to anyone with multiple problems, whether infected or not.
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eaglesdare 10 May 24 1.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Lombardinho
Anyone, not just on these boards but also in the public eye, who questioned how they can make something SAFE for human consumption in only 10 months, was discredited and demonised by you. It's out in the open finally, that those that questioned were right to do so. They weren't doing it out of hate, on the contrary, they did it because their compassion and empathy for humanity compelled them to. You think you can just carry on pushing your drivel? I agree with you. It's best to just ignore said nonsense poster and blank their posts.
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Teddy Eagle 10 May 24 1.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s not a debate. It’s an excuse. If you die you are dead. Whether you were suffering from multiple problems and a Covid infection was the last then it was Covid that killed you. Without it you would still be alive, unless your time had come anyway, and that could happen to anyone with multiple problems, whether infected or not. Sure and people who got hit by a bus died with Covid not of it.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 May 24 2.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s because they are vaccines and not “drugs”! Drugs treat people who have a disease. Vaccines train the immune system to recognise an infection and fight it. These might be a newer way of achieving the desired effect but they are still vaccines. That they keep needing to be modified is no different to the fact that the flu vaccines do too. Both viruses keep mutating and the variants that become dominant are those which are able to overcome the vaccines to some degree. So boosters are regularly required to respond to the dominant variant, whilst the original continues to protect against severe disease. So you are not getting a “bit less Covid”! You are getting a slightly different Covid. The only brain washing involved in this is that being done by the anti-vax nut cases on those who are susceptible to conspiracy theories. You have taken one definition of vaccine and twisted that. They are meant to prevent or protect or make people immune from a disease. There is no proof at all - except in some people's heads - that the so-called COVID vaccines did that.
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Stirlingsays 10 May 24 2.37pm | |
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I think it can be fair to say covid tipped many already significantly weakened people over the edge. However, If someone has multiple aliments and dies then the reality is that they all to differing extents played a part in that death. As you get older and people in your family die. Some have specific causes and others have multiple causes that all contribute. I fear the system at the time may have encouraged covid to be emphasised when in reality a lot of the people who died were already ill. The likely reality is that without those other aliments the vast majority of them would have recovered. So it's nuanced. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2024 2.38pm)
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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 10 May 24 2.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s not a debate. It’s an excuse. If you die you are dead. Whether you were suffering from multiple problems and a Covid infection was the last then it was Covid that killed you. Without it you would still be alive, unless your time had come anyway, and that could happen to anyone with multiple problems, whether infected or not.
You are a person who for multi years has continued to show they have no clue what they are talking about in this area and has 0 training. You are a puppet. Time for you to hush up and not comment. Go stick to a subject you are educated in. Originally posted by ASCPFC
You have taken one definition of vaccine and twisted that. They are meant to prevent or protect or make people immune from a disease. There is no proof at all - except in some people's heads - that the so-called COVID vaccines did that.
I stopped paying attention not worth it just ignore them. The vaccines was pitched to prevent people requiring hospital treatment they then flopped around came up with other things one claiming it would stop transmission by a %. The other poster knows full well they refuse to believe anything years ago I picked apart everything they would say using science but still wouldn't have any of it. The person doesn't even understand you have to do proper controlled trials and "risk" is cause & effect statement.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 May 24 7.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Lombardinho
Anyone, not just on these boards but also in the public eye, who questioned how they can make something SAFE for human consumption in only 10 months, was discredited and demonised by you. It's out in the open finally, that those that questioned were right to do so. They weren't doing it out of hate, on the contrary, they did it because their compassion and empathy for humanity compelled them to. You think you can just carry on pushing your drivel? That the safety testing regime was widely misunderstood and even more widely misrepresented is clearly evidenced by this post. The science behind the mNRA vaccines was well understood and thoroughly tested already. It was just the tweaking to make it specific that needed to be proven safe, which was done via accelerated trials in many places around the world. The fact that it was accomplished so quickly does not mean that shortcuts were taken. Regulatory authorities don't do shortcuts. It means there was an incredible international effort and cooperation to defeat a common enemy. Something we should all be very proud of and not be trying to dismiss in the way that some do here. This ought to put minds at rest. Unless you think The British Society for Immunology writes drivel!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 May 24 7.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Sure and people who got hit by a bus died with Covid not of it. No, they died because of an accident. You are confusing the statistics that were compiled to try to ascertain just how many people had been infected and for which a common 28 day standard was adopted as a rough and ready guide. It had no bearing on what was put on the death certificate:-
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Teddy Eagle 10 May 24 7.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, they died because of an accident. You are confusing the statistics that were compiled to try to ascertain just how many people had been infected and for which a common 28 day standard was adopted as a rough and ready guide. It had no bearing on what was put on the death certificate:- Not really since it specifically says
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 May 24 7.26pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
You have taken one definition of vaccine and twisted that. They are meant to prevent or protect or make people immune from a disease. There is no proof at all - except in some people's heads - that the so-called COVID vaccines did that. I don't want to be rude but this is codswallop. Viruses mutate. Not just this one. It's still Covid, but just a variant that has found, via a random mutation, a way to avoid some of the vaccine protection. It's not a new phenomenon or was unexpected. The vaccines themselves don't protect people from the disease. They enable your immune system to recognise the virus and fight it.
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