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Teddy Eagle 08 Jul 22 1.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Are you really sure about that? Really? There were sustained, and seemingly credible, rumours about large scale vote rigging in an election that was very close. The protests which preceded the overthrow were large scale and popular, and the majority of people seem pretty determined to maintain their independence. Of course, I support democracy, when conducted in a transparent, free and fair way, underpinned by the rule of law. I don't support the shoehorning of a President into power by a bigger power intent on restoring control over a territory then regard as their own. If the protests had failed, then Ukraine would already be tied to Russia's apron strings and the Red Army camped on their Eastern borders. Maybe you would have preferred that, but I don't and nor does, it seems, most of western opinion. Wasn't that close. Zelensky got 70% of the vote.
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Teddy Eagle

08 Jul 22 1.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Are you really sure about that? Really? There were sustained, and seemingly credible, rumours about large scale vote rigging in an election that was very close.

The protests which preceded the overthrow were large scale and popular, and the majority of people seem pretty determined to maintain their independence.

Of course, I support democracy, when conducted in a transparent, free and fair way, underpinned by the rule of law.

I don't support the shoehorning of a President into power by a bigger power intent on restoring control over a territory then regard as their own.

If the protests had failed, then Ukraine would already be tied to Russia's apron strings and the Red Army camped on their Eastern borders.

Maybe you would have preferred that, but I don't and nor does, it seems, most of western opinion.

Wasn't that close. Zelensky got 70% of the vote.

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Stirlingsays 13 Jul 22 8.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Are you really sure about that? Really? There were sustained, and seemingly credible, rumours about large scale vote rigging in an election that was very close. The protests which preceded the overthrow were large scale and popular, and the majority of people seem pretty determined to maintain their independence. Of course, I support democracy, when conducted in a transparent, free and fair way, underpinned by the rule of law. I don't support the shoehorning of a President into power by a bigger power intent on restoring control over a territory then regard as their own. If the protests had failed, then Ukraine would already be tied to Russia's apron strings and the Red Army camped on their Eastern borders. Maybe you would have preferred that, but I don't and nor does, it seems, most of western opinion. It was a democratically elected government. There were no internationally upheld claims to the contrary. Your claim that without the coup Russia would still have invaded makes no sense. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Jul 22 8.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Are you really sure about that? Really? There were sustained, and seemingly credible, rumours about large scale vote rigging in an election that was very close.

The protests which preceded the overthrow were large scale and popular, and the majority of people seem pretty determined to maintain their independence.

Of course, I support democracy, when conducted in a transparent, free and fair way, underpinned by the rule of law.

I don't support the shoehorning of a President into power by a bigger power intent on restoring control over a territory then regard as their own.

If the protests had failed, then Ukraine would already be tied to Russia's apron strings and the Red Army camped on their Eastern borders.

Maybe you would have preferred that, but I don't and nor does, it seems, most of western opinion.

It was a democratically elected government.

There were no internationally upheld claims to the contrary.

Your claim that without the coup Russia would still have invaded makes no sense.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 13 Jul 22 8.47pm
Idiocracy. [Tweet Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Jul 22 8.47pm

Idiocracy.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 22 11.03pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Wasn't that close. Zelensky got 70% of the vote. Different election. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 22 11.03pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Wasn't that close. Zelensky got 70% of the vote.

Different election.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 22 11.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It was a democratically elected government. There were no internationally upheld claims to the contrary. Your claim that without the coup Russia would still have invaded makes no sense. Was it democratically elected? It was an election around which there were credible rumours about widespread vote rigging, which resulted in a pro-Russia President taking power. A President whose policies swiftly became unpopular. Were there any international investigations? Were any possible during a violent revolution? However, democracy prevailed as the Parliament voted by 328-0 to replace him which, surprise surprise, upset Putin. Protests continued until new elections confirmed a new, westward looking government. Putin invaded Crimea and then the whole of Ukraine in 2022. Without these events (it wasn't a coup as it was the government itself which ousted the President) Putin might have had no need to invade. The keys would have been handed to him. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Jul 2022 11.20pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 22 11.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It was a democratically elected government.

There were no internationally upheld claims to the contrary.

Your claim that without the coup Russia would still have invaded makes no sense.

Was it democratically elected?

It was an election around which there were credible rumours about widespread vote rigging, which resulted in a pro-Russia President taking power. A President whose policies swiftly became unpopular. Were there any international investigations? Were any possible during a violent revolution?

However, democracy prevailed as the Parliament voted by 328-0 to replace him which, surprise surprise, upset Putin. Protests continued until new elections confirmed a new, westward looking government. Putin invaded Crimea and then the whole of Ukraine in 2022.

Without these events (it wasn't a coup as it was the government itself which ousted the President) Putin might have had no need to invade. The keys would have been handed to him.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Jul 2022 11.20pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 13 Jul 22 11.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Different election. Fair enough.
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Teddy Eagle

13 Jul 22 11.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Different election.

Fair enough.

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Stirlingsays 13 Jul 22 11.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Was it democratically elected? It was an election around which there were credible rumours about widespread vote rigging, which resulted in a pro-Russia President taking power. A President whose policies swiftly became unpopular. Were there any international investigations? Were any possible during a violent revolution? However, democracy prevailed as the Parliament voted by 328-0 to replace him which, surprise surprise, upset Putin. Protests continued until new elections confirmed a new, westward looking government. Putin invaded Crimea and then the whole of Ukraine in 2022. Without these events (it wasn't a coup as it was the government itself which ousted the President) Putin might have had no need to invade. The keys would have been handed to him. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Jul 2022 11.20pm) Once again, yes it was democratically elected. I'm still waiting for the proof it wasn't. The government didn't 'oust' the president the parliament voted to, which apparently wasn't legal. Here's how your precious Wikipedia describes it: 'The Revolution of Dignity took place in Ukraine in February 2014 at the end of the Euromaidan protests, when deadly clashes between protesters and the security forces in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv culminated in the ousting of elected President Viktor Yanukovych and the overthrow of the Ukrainian government.' What's quite plain to me is that the west interfered and caused unrest which has led directly to the Ukraine being destroyed. This was all being warned about years ago. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2022 11.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Jul 22 11.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Was it democratically elected?

Without these events (it wasn't a coup as it was the government itself which ousted the President) Putin might have had no need to invade. The keys would have been handed to him.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Jul 2022 11.20pm)

Once again, yes it was democratically elected.

I'm still waiting for the proof it wasn't.

The government didn't 'oust' the president the parliament voted to, which apparently wasn't legal.

Here's how your precious Wikipedia describes it:

'The Revolution of Dignity took place in Ukraine in February 2014 at the end of the Euromaidan protests, when deadly clashes between protesters and the security forces in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv culminated in the ousting of elected President Viktor Yanukovych and the overthrow of the Ukrainian government.'

What's quite plain to me is that the west interfered and caused unrest which has led directly to the Ukraine being destroyed.

This was all being warned about years ago.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2022 11.48pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 14 Jul 22 1.48am
I just want to put this up again to show the pure hypocrisy of people like Biden.....Here he is talking tough about crackheads before his son became one....What a father. He'll send your kid to jail....no excuses, but his kid will be protected because his Dad is an elite. [Tweet Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2022 1.49am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Jul 22 1.48am

I just want to put this up again to show the pure hypocrisy of people like Biden.....Here he is talking tough about crackheads before his son became one....What a father.

He'll send your kid to jail....no excuses, but his kid will be protected because his Dad is an elite.

[Tweet Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2022 1.49am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 14 Jul 22 7.44am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I just want to put this up again to show the pure hypocrisy of people like Biden.....Here he is talking tough about crackheads before his son became one....What a father. He'll send your kid to jail....no excuses, but his kid will be protected because his Dad is an elite. [Tweet Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2022 1.49am) Doesn’t exist, looks like WE has got to it
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Horsham 14 Jul 22 7.44am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I just want to put this up again to show the pure hypocrisy of people like Biden.....Here he is talking tough about crackheads before his son became one....What a father.

He'll send your kid to jail....no excuses, but his kid will be protected because his Dad is an elite.

[Tweet Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2022 1.49am)

Doesn’t exist, looks like WE has got to it

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Spiderman Horsham 14 Jul 22 7.45am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Idiocracy. [Tweet Link] Well if you’ve got to go, you’ve got to go!
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Horsham 14 Jul 22 7.45am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Idiocracy.

[Tweet Link]

Well if you’ve got to go, you’ve got to go!

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Stirlingsays 14 Jul 22 8.32am
Originally posted by Spiderman Doesn’t exist, looks like WE has got to it Wow, these Democrats are desperate to protect their hypocrite in chief. Here's one they haven't got to yet....at least when I posted it. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Jul 22 8.32am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Doesn’t exist, looks like WE has got to it

Wow, these Democrats are desperate to protect their hypocrite in chief.

Here's one they haven't got to yet....at least when I posted it.

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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Jul 22 8.56am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Wow, these Democrats are desperate to protect their hypocrite in chief. Here's one they haven't got to yet....at least when I posted it. [Link] Yeah but he's not Trump One more point
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Beckenham 14 Jul 22 8.56am