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Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.46pm
Originally posted by Willo To harvest some fruits such as apples etc,you must be able to climb a ladder,remove the fruit and place it in a basket without injury.Other fruits,such as strawberries etc,grow on low-lying plants,so you must have the endurance and strength to bend over for long periods of time.One also has to be able to work in inclement weather. The physical aspects of the job might not suit certain people. I understand that there is on-the-job training rather than formal training. So an interview helps this? Maybe they ask if you are prepared to share a caravan with complete strangers and have some of your paltry salary taken for board and lodging
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Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.46pm

Originally posted by Willo

To harvest some fruits such as apples etc,you must be able to climb a ladder,remove the fruit and place it in a basket without injury.Other fruits,such as strawberries etc,grow on low-lying plants,so you must have the endurance and strength to bend over for long periods of time.One also has to be able to work in inclement weather.
The physical aspects of the job might not suit certain people.
I understand that there is on-the-job training rather than formal training.

So an interview helps this? Maybe they ask if you are prepared to share a caravan with complete strangers and have some of your paltry salary taken for board and lodging

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 17 Apr 20 5.46pm
Originally posted by Willo To harvest some fruits such as apples etc,you must be able to climb a ladder,remove the fruit and place it in a basket without injury.Other fruits,such as strawberries etc,grow on low-lying plants,so you must have the endurance and strength to bend over for long periods of time.One also has to be able to work in inclement weather. The physical aspects of the job might not suit certain people. I understand that there is on-the-job training rather than formal training. Pretty damning verdict on our education standards there Willo. Instead of learning things like 1066 and how to measure the circumference of a circle, we should've been teaching our offspring how to bend over for long spells and how to place an apple in a basket at height without injury. I blame Thatcher. She was in charge of education back in the day. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 17 Apr 20 5.46pm

Originally posted by Willo

Pretty damning verdict on our education standards there Willo. Instead of learning things like 1066 and how to measure the circumference of a circle, we should've been teaching our offspring how to bend over for long spells and how to place an apple in a basket at height without injury.
I blame Thatcher. She was in charge of education back in the day.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 5.48pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle And right now Trump has stated the known truth. If he didn’t he’d be accused of evasion. How many politicians don’t use events, from wars to economic collapses, to their advantage? It’s quite amusing that a man regarded as a complete buffoon can become a manipulative genius when it suits. He has stated what is generally being regarded as the truth but in a deliberately confrontational way. Alongside that he has politicised the work of the WHO and then removed funding. There was no need to say anything. No-one would even think he was being evasive. If questioned he could demonstrate diplomacy and say this isn't the time for such matters. But no. He plainly did it for one reason alone and that was all to do with trying to keep his "ratings" up. Much more than selfish. This action will cost lives. If not in the USA then in poorer countries who rely on the WHO. He is many things. Buffoon at times, manipulative always. Genius never. Some of those standing behind him can be pretty cute I'll acknowledge. The 3 step path out of lockdown that was announced yesterday is a very sensible and well structured strategy. The way he sidestepped his previous claim to have the sole right to control when it happened was also cute. So I am sure it wasn't devised by him. Much too nuanced and subtle to have been devised by Trump. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 5.48pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

And right now Trump has stated the known truth. If he didn’t he’d be accused of evasion. How many politicians don’t use events, from wars to economic collapses, to their advantage?
It’s quite amusing that a man regarded as a complete buffoon can become a manipulative genius when it suits.

He has stated what is generally being regarded as the truth but in a deliberately confrontational way. Alongside that he has politicised the work of the WHO and then removed funding.

There was no need to say anything. No-one would even think he was being evasive. If questioned he could demonstrate diplomacy and say this isn't the time for such matters. But no. He plainly did it for one reason alone and that was all to do with trying to keep his "ratings" up. Much more than selfish. This action will cost lives. If not in the USA then in poorer countries who rely on the WHO.

He is many things. Buffoon at times, manipulative always. Genius never. Some of those standing behind him can be pretty cute I'll acknowledge.

The 3 step path out of lockdown that was announced yesterday is a very sensible and well structured strategy. The way he sidestepped his previous claim to have the sole right to control when it happened was also cute. So I am sure it wasn't devised by him. Much too nuanced and subtle to have been devised by Trump.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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DanH SW2 17 Apr 20 5.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Skilled as in easy to exploit and pay low. I thought the idea of capitalism, supply and demand was that if the job's wages doesn't attract enough applicants that you pay more until it does. But it appears that's only for white collar jobs it seems. The old left use to argue against this, but they are so brainwashed with universalism that they actually support it......just as much enemies of the native working classes as the neo liberal internationalists. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 4.12pm) It is. Wage increases mean cost of production increase which means profit margins reduce or the price of the product increases. A lot of these supplier are locked in to contracts with the big supermarkets that dictate the price to them - their profit margins are already tiny. Any increase in wage costs would mean that farmers would stop making any profit whatsoever and production would stop. Therefore farms have no choice but to hire the cheapest labour possible - for a pittance and with terrible working conditions. The supermarkets oligopoly over the market is huge when it comes to this. Their profit margin along the supply chain is a lot bigger than that of the suppliers they are buying their produce from.
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DanH

SW2 17 Apr 20 5.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Skilled as in easy to exploit and pay low.

I thought the idea of capitalism, supply and demand was that if the job's wages doesn't attract enough applicants that you pay more until it does.

But it appears that's only for white collar jobs it seems.

The old left use to argue against this, but they are so brainwashed with universalism that they actually support it......just as much enemies of the native working classes as the neo liberal internationalists.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 4.12pm)

It is. Wage increases mean cost of production increase which means profit margins reduce or the price of the product increases.

A lot of these supplier are locked in to contracts with the big supermarkets that dictate the price to them - their profit margins are already tiny. Any increase in wage costs would mean that farmers would stop making any profit whatsoever and production would stop. Therefore farms have no choice but to hire the cheapest labour possible - for a pittance and with terrible working conditions.

The supermarkets oligopoly over the market is huge when it comes to this. Their profit margin along the supply chain is a lot bigger than that of the suppliers they are buying their produce from.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 6.01pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Heard this morning that over 33000 applied for farm jobs but only 16% got to interview stage! What sort of interview would this need? Less than 200 Brits given jobs. Now many may have had second thoughts but it would be interesting to know how you fail an interview to pick fruit. I don’t blame the Romanians but why does it appear to be so difficult for Brits to get these jobs. Genuinely interested I heard the leader of whatever trade organisation that represents fruit and vegetable growers explain this yesterday. Sorry but I don't remember either his or his organisation's name. It seems they have been overwhelmed by currently idle British workers who will be used for this work. There are more than enough applicants. Whether they all turn up and show resolve is another question. It seems though that there is a degree of skill involved (his claim not mine) and that the workers being flown in have all done these jobs for many years. They will be used as trainers and team leaders. I am sure many of you will have seen this work being done. It often involves some machinery and whilst probably not too difficult to master would take some training to be done safely and quickly. It's also very tiring. The main problem I see is accomodation and social distancing. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 6.01pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Heard this morning that over 33000 applied for farm jobs but only 16% got to interview stage! What sort of interview would this need? Less than 200 Brits given jobs. Now many may have had second thoughts but it would be interesting to know how you fail an interview to pick fruit. I don’t blame the Romanians but why does it appear to be so difficult for Brits to get these jobs. Genuinely interested

I heard the leader of whatever trade organisation that represents fruit and vegetable growers explain this yesterday. Sorry but I don't remember either his or his organisation's name.

It seems they have been overwhelmed by currently idle British workers who will be used for this work. There are more than enough applicants. Whether they all turn up and show resolve is another question.

It seems though that there is a degree of skill involved (his claim not mine) and that the workers being flown in have all done these jobs for many years. They will be used as trainers and team leaders.

I am sure many of you will have seen this work being done. It often involves some machinery and whilst probably not too difficult to master would take some training to be done safely and quickly. It's also very tiring.

The main problem I see is accomodation and social distancing.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Apr 20 6.16pm
Originally posted by Spiderman So an interview helps this? Maybe they ask if you are prepared to share a caravan with complete strangers and have some of your paltry salary taken for board and lodging I don't have any information pertaining to the interview procedures for harvesters so I can only speculate. It is the model of feasibility that interviewees are asked whether they have ever climbed ladders to a certain height and whether this would pose an issue for them. Furthermore in terms of the fruit at low levels, I would suggest that those with a history of back problems are not overly suited to the job and perhaps their applications are rejected if indeed any health issues have to be listed on them. There are physical aspects to harvesting, it is not just a case of walking up to a raspberry bush and picking the fruit without having to bend or climb.As has been pointed out there is also a degree of skill element involved. Edited by Willo (17 Apr 2020 6.18pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Apr 20 6.16pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

So an interview helps this? Maybe they ask if you are prepared to share a caravan with complete strangers and have some of your paltry salary taken for board and lodging

I don't have any information pertaining to the interview procedures for harvesters so I can only speculate.

It is the model of feasibility that interviewees are asked whether they have ever climbed ladders to a certain height and whether this would pose an issue for them.

Furthermore in terms of the fruit at low levels, I would suggest that those with a history of back problems are not overly suited to the job and perhaps their applications are rejected if indeed any health issues have to be listed on them.

There are physical aspects to harvesting, it is not just a case of walking up to a raspberry bush and picking the fruit without having to bend or climb.As has been pointed out there is also a degree of skill element involved.

Edited by Willo (17 Apr 2020 6.18pm)

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 20 6.34pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I heard the leader of whatever trade organisation that represents fruit and vegetable growers explain this yesterday. Sorry but I don't remember either his or his organisation's name. It seems they have been overwhelmed by currently idle British workers who will be used for this work. There are more than enough applicants. Whether they all turn up and show resolve is another question. It seems though that there is a degree of skill involved (his claim not mine) and that the workers being flown in have all done these jobs for many years. They will be used as trainers and team leaders. I am sure many of you will have seen this work being done. It often involves some machinery and whilst probably not too difficult to master would take some training to be done safely and quickly. It's also very tiring. The main problem I see is accomodation and social distancing.
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Horsham 17 Apr 20 6.34pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I heard the leader of whatever trade organisation that represents fruit and vegetable growers explain this yesterday. Sorry but I don't remember either his or his organisation's name.

The main problem I see is accomodation and social distancing.

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Stirlingsays 17 Apr 20 6.36pm
Originally posted by DanH It is. Wage increases mean cost of production increase which means profit margins reduce or the price of the product increases. A lot of these supplier are locked in to contracts with the big supermarkets that dictate the price to them - their profit margins are already tiny. Any increase in wage costs would mean that farmers would stop making any profit whatsoever and production would stop. Therefore farms have no choice but to hire the cheapest labour possible - for a pittance and with terrible working conditions. The supermarkets oligopoly over the market is huge when it comes to this. Their profit margin along the supply chain is a lot bigger than that of the suppliers they are buying their produce from. Over-powered corporate barstewards. If anything, without imposed limits, automation will make them even more powerful. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Apr 20 6.36pm

Originally posted by DanH

It is. Wage increases mean cost of production increase which means profit margins reduce or the price of the product increases.

The supermarkets oligopoly over the market is huge when it comes to this. Their profit margin along the supply chain is a lot bigger than that of the suppliers they are buying their produce from.

Over-powered corporate barstewards.

If anything, without imposed limits, automation will make them even more powerful.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 20 6.37pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I heard the leader of whatever trade organisation that represents fruit and vegetable growers explain this yesterday. Sorry but I don't remember either his or his organisation's name. It seems they have been overwhelmed by currently idle British workers who will be used for this work. There are more than enough applicants. Whether they all turn up and show resolve is another question. It seems though that there is a degree of skill involved (his claim not mine) and that the workers being flown in have all done these jobs for many years. They will be used as trainers and team leaders. I am sure many of you will have seen this work being done. It often involves some machinery and whilst probably not too difficult to master would take some training to be done safely and quickly. It's also very tiring. The main problem I see is accomodation and social distancing. They have been overwhelmed by applications from “idle” Brits but they have only offered less than 200 jobs, nothing to do with whether they will turn up. Sorry but imo this is all about keeping cost of workers to a minimum, surely something you cannot possibly support?
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Horsham 17 Apr 20 6.37pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I heard the leader of whatever trade organisation that represents fruit and vegetable growers explain this yesterday. Sorry but I don't remember either his or his organisation's name.

The main problem I see is accomodation and social distancing.

They have been overwhelmed by applications from “idle” Brits but they have only offered less than 200 jobs, nothing to do with whether they will turn up. Sorry but imo this is all about keeping cost of workers to a minimum, surely something you cannot possibly support?

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 20 6.40pm
Originally posted by DanH It is. Wage increases mean cost of production increase which means profit margins reduce or the price of the product increases. A lot of these supplier are locked in to contracts with the big supermarkets that dictate the price to them - their profit margins are already tiny. Any increase in wage costs would mean that farmers would stop making any profit whatsoever and production would stop. Therefore farms have no choice but to hire the cheapest labour possible - for a pittance and with terrible working conditions. The supermarkets oligopoly over the market is huge when it comes to this. Their profit margin along the supply chain is a lot bigger than that of the suppliers they are buying their produce from. And hopefully with your political views you cannot support employers exploiting foreign workers
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Horsham 17 Apr 20 6.40pm

Originally posted by DanH

It is. Wage increases mean cost of production increase which means profit margins reduce or the price of the product increases.

The supermarkets oligopoly over the market is huge when it comes to this. Their profit margin along the supply chain is a lot bigger than that of the suppliers they are buying their produce from.

And hopefully with your political views you cannot support employers exploiting foreign workers

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Apr 20 7.14pm
Originally posted by DanH It is. Wage increases mean cost of production increase which means profit margins reduce or the price of the product increases. A lot of these supplier are locked in to contracts with the big supermarkets that dictate the price to them - their profit margins are already tiny. Any increase in wage costs would mean that farmers would stop making any profit whatsoever and production would stop. Therefore farms have no choice but to hire the cheapest labour possible - for a pittance and with terrible working conditions. The supermarkets oligopoly over the market is huge when it comes to this. Their profit margin along the supply chain is a lot bigger than that of the suppliers they are buying their produce from. Also they wouldn't be entitled to their EU subsidies which has been widely touted. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Apr 20 7.14pm

Originally posted by DanH

It is. Wage increases mean cost of production increase which means profit margins reduce or the price of the product increases.

The supermarkets oligopoly over the market is huge when it comes to this. Their profit margin along the supply chain is a lot bigger than that of the suppliers they are buying their produce from.

Also they wouldn't be entitled to their EU subsidies which has been widely touted.

Pro USA & Israel

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Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 20 8.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He has stated what is generally being regarded as the truth but in a deliberately confrontational way. Alongside that he has politicised the work of the WHO and then removed funding. There was no need to say anything. No-one would even think he was being evasive. If questioned he could demonstrate diplomacy and say this isn't the time for such matters. But no. He plainly did it for one reason alone and that was all to do with trying to keep his "ratings" up. Much more than selfish. This action will cost lives. If not in the USA then in poorer countries who rely on the WHO. He is many things. Buffoon at times, manipulative always. Genius never. Some of those standing behind him can be pretty cute I'll acknowledge. The 3 step path out of lockdown that was announced yesterday is a very sensible and well structured strategy. The way he sidestepped his previous claim to have the sole right to control when it happened was also cute. So I am sure it wasn't devised by him. Much too nuanced and subtle to have been devised by Trump. As there have been half a dozen of these viruses emanating from China maybe he thinks that conciliation hasn’t worked and who can say he’s wrong? China is the second leading economy, maybe he thinks they should do more to fund the WHO rather than America.
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17 Apr 20 8.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He has stated what is generally being regarded as the truth but in a deliberately confrontational way. Alongside that he has politicised the work of the WHO and then removed funding.

He is many things. Buffoon at times, manipulative always. Genius never. Some of those standing behind him can be pretty cute I'll acknowledge.

As there have been half a dozen of these viruses emanating from China maybe he thinks that conciliation hasn’t worked and who can say he’s wrong?
China is the second leading economy, maybe he thinks they should do more to fund the WHO rather than America.

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