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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 12.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So despite Antifa and BLM being involved in months of rioting. Yet for you, the groups have to be illegal for the Democrats to justifiably criticise them. I didn't say that did I? People commit crimes. Not groups unless they can be shown to be deliberately organising criminal activities. That needs to be proved and not assumed. It hasn't even been charged. You were making the stupid assertion that these groups and the Democrats are "joined at the hip". Essentially all part of one movement. Yet, the Democrats can criticise the Proud Boys, who weren't involved in burning down cities and insist the President condemn them. Did they? I rather suspect they did exactly the same as they did with other groups and criticised criminality. The difference being that the "Proud Boys" and similar groups are often openly aggressive with their language and incitement, although I have seen some who do their best to restrain their members. It all depends on individual behaviour. It's the actions of individuals that will be criticised alongside any incitement from organisations. And apparently I'm the one talking BS? No you're not. No need to feel victimised. There is plenty of bs talked here by your fan base. Your double standards are as plain as the nose on your face.....you know, that incredibly long hooter you have. You know what they say about long noses! Do I detect a bit of envy today? Did these notably independent and objective highbrow publications, known for their unbiased reporting of fact, manage to check that the people they are accusing carried membership cards of Anifa? It would be quite a story if they did, as I did'nt think any existed. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2020 8.49am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 12.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Most of the demonstrations and riots occurred in Democratic areas. In some cases they went on for weeks and the local politicians declined to use more force e.g. Seattle CHAZ and Portland. I said at the time it was ridiculous that the protestors were complaining about Trump who legally is not responsible for local policing and they ignored the fact that the Democrats were in power and were accountable for policing in those areas. Still orange man bad. It suited the Democrats to let those cities burn otherwise why would they reject Trumps offer of assistance and in some cases threaten legal action if he sent in the national guard. Disgraceful dereliction of duty which I can only put down to politics, how many decent people lost their businesses or even their lives. Now that the Democrats have won the BLM are no longer needed, more fool them for not going after the right people. I think it's very unwise to try to form opinions on events in very specific localities without actually witnessing them and knowing the background to them, the history and the personalities involved. From the little I know the protests weren't so much about Trump but about poor policing going back years and brought to a head by some specific events. That genuine protests were exploited by criminals seems to be the case but why and by whom isn't clear and assumptions ought not be made. How they were handled and why those responsible took their decisions also isn't clear and making assumptions again unwise. They are there and know the situation much better than any of us and, indeed, of Trump. Just because the right-wing press, and Trump, describe things in a particular way doesn't mean it's true. In fact experience would indicate it probably isn't true.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So perhaps you could explain why the Democrats are so keen to stop investigations into the evidence of widespread fraud that is coming to light. We all know that the dark forces of the industrial military complex an all other interested parties would stop at nothing to restore their total control. Where and how are the Democrats seeking to stop investigations? They are not getting involved. Political parties don't run the elections. There are independent, legally mandated organisations to do that and they all co-operating in arranging re-counts etc. The Democrats have more important things to do. They have a big mess to start to clean up in January. There is no evidence of widespread fraud coming to light. There are widespread fraudulent claims of fraud coming to light, all failing to provide any evidence and being thrown out by Courts, often with scathing comments. Your "dark forces of the industrial military complex an all other interested parties" made me smile. It certainly isn't known by us all. It's just another conspiracy theory believed by a gullible few. Oh well. At least it gives you something to do and while you are getting angry on your keyboard you won't be doing anyone any actual harm. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Dec 2020 12.51pm)
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Teddy Eagle 04 Dec 20 12.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has nothing to do with what I say. It only has to do with what Trump and his inner circle say and do. That is the evidence. It self evidently exists for all. What conclusions are drawn as a consequence obviously varies, although I am confident that a large majority would agree with the thrust of my own opinions. Of course you are because the possibility of your being wrong never occurs to you. Straight out of the James O’Brien playbook.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Dec 20 2.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Where and how are the Democrats seeking to stop investigations? They are not getting involved. Political parties don't run the elections. There are independent, legally mandated organisations to do that and they all co-operating in arranging re-counts etc. The Democrats have more important things to do. They have a big mess to start to clean up in January. There is no evidence of widespread fraud coming to light. There are widespread fraudulent claims of fraud coming to light, all failing to provide any evidence and being thrown out by Courts, often with scathing comments. Your "dark forces of the industrial military complex an all other interested parties" made me smile. It certainly isn't known by us all. It's just another conspiracy theory believed by a gullible few. Oh well. At least it gives you something to do and while you are getting angry on your keyboard you won't be doing anyone any actual harm. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Dec 2020 12.51pm) So Eisenhower was making it all up was he? Of course. He was only the president. What did he know. We should all come to you for information.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Dec 20 3.12pm | |
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Stirlingsays 04 Dec 20 3.45pm | |
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Apparently the difference is that the "Proud Boys" are often openly aggressive with their language and incitement.....but weirdly enough the groups that have particulated in violence, looting and the burning down of businesses and intimation haven't been. So the Democrats won't criticise them as they just aren't that aggressive enough with their language, even though their members are the drivers behind the rioting.
Honestly You couldn't make some of his stuff up and keep a straight face. WE's contentions are so full of holes that even your council would be too embarrassed not to fill them in. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2020 3.46pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 3.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So Eisenhower was making it all up was he? Of course. He was only the president. What did he know. We should all come to you for information. OK. Here is the FULL quote of what you said:- "We all know that the dark forces of the industrial military complex an all other interested parties would stop at nothing to restore their total control" Eisenhower didn't say that. You did. We don't all know that. Most of us think it's a conspiracy theory. Not because there couldn't be such a thing as an "industrial-military complex" acting as a pressure group. There probably is. But that doesn't mean there are any "dark forces" involved, or that we all know there are, or that they "would stop at nothing to restore their total control". That is a conspiracy theory and I am pretty sure Eisenhower would have been able to see that, even if you aren't and be a little bit upset at the attempt to involve him in it!
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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Dec 20 4.04pm | |
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The Biden administration will not be making waves over any of these issues, they want to govern and unify as the senate is still republican. December 14th the electoral college vote, Trump says he will accept the result. Over 6 million votes to the good and over 300 college votes already. It is a forgone conclusion.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 4.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Apparently the difference is that the "Proud Boys" are often openly aggressive with their language and incitement.....but weirdly enough the groups that have particulated in violence, looting and the burning down of businesses and intimation haven't been. Maybe you are unaware of, or too busy only reading the right-wing press, to have heard the allegations that at least some of violence was actually caused by right-wing activists in an attempt to discredit genuine protests. I have no more proof of that than you don't have. So unless and until any investigations result in charges and convictions perhaps it might be better to suspend uninformed judgements. That Trump made the same assumptions is only par for his course but you seem to be making a habit of imitating him. So the Democrats won't criticise them as they just aren't that aggressive enough with their language, even though their members are the drivers behind the rioting.
For the umteenth time those involved in rioting had nothing that directly connected them to the Democrats. That they all opposed Trump and his corrupt administration is NOT a connection. All people with an ounce of integrity share that view. The Democrats spoke out against the violence and called for restraint by all sides. However the important point is that were not in power at the time. Trump was and it was his job to deal with the local officials, whatever their political affiliation might be. The Democrats had no official role to play. Honestly You couldn't make some of his stuff up and keep a straight face. WE's contentions are so full of holes that even your council would be too embarrassed not to fill them in. If you find the truth funny then I actually feel sorry for you as you are obviously so deep in your own hole as to be unable to see the reality outside of it. My contentions are actually the material that fills in the holes of your deeply flawed reasoning which can then allow normal life to flow smoothly again, without society having to take different routes around them.
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