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Teddy Eagle 08 May 20 5.44pm | |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Ah yes blame the civil servants _ bunch of lrfties and apologists. If this has been surpressed by the Home Office then the decision would ultimately rest with the Home Secretary, not those around her. Yes, the Home Secretary who had to struggle to see this report in the first place.
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Matov 08 May 20 8.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We aren't responsible for holding them accountable are we? It's those they report to who are. I expect many involved had to account for their decisions during the compilation of the report and that the lessons learned will form part of the strategy now being adopted. We don't determine that strategy. Our responsibility is to hold those we elect accountable once every 5 years. But how can we hold them accountable if the findings, and therefore the potential solutions, are not in the public arena? The primary issue of this entire disgrace is actually one of two specific failures. The first is that scumbags were allowed to abuse vulnerable girls. Now I am not downplaying the severity of that in the slightest but that is a pattern we see repeated throughout history and in every culture. s*** behaviour that needs clamping down on with an iron boot. I cannot imagine you would disagree with that. But the second, and with FAR wider implications for the UK, is the systematic and decades-old cover-up that went on around it. With that already a known fact from numerous other local investigations. Meaning that the findings of any nationwide specific investigation have to be made public. Zero excuse for not publishing it and I suspect the reasons are probably not what you think they are but rather political wrangling. None of which excuses the fact that this report is being deliberately withheld from a British public who have numerous nailed on reasons why they should NOT trust any part of our public authorities be it local Government, Social Services, the Police or Parliament when it comes to this specific issue. The previous cover-ups are a fact. This issue, above all else, has to have public scrutiny or else it is worthless. Less than that in fact. Actually dangerous because it adds to the wider narrative that because these girls were, in the main, white and their attackers, in the main, Muslim the cover-up was deliberately orchestrated by people not only in positions of power but also by those who owed these girls the biggest duty of care responsibility because they deemed the crimes less severe than the consequences of being labeled 'racist'. Edited by Matov (08 May 2020 8.27pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 8.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
But how can we hold them accountable if the findings, and therefore the potential solutions, are not in the public arena?
You don't hold them accountable for just this report. You hold them accountable for all they do and if you decide you don't like it, and that others will do a better job, then you change them. Part of your decision will be based on the actions that have flowed as a consequence of this report. It's the actions which matter and not who gets to read it. That you mistrust everyone involved is not a reason to publish. Whether we like it or not we delegate the responsibility for these decisions to Parliament and having done so cannot just decide as we don't like one of them that something else must happen. Do that and there would be never ending consequences.
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Teddy Eagle 08 May 20 9.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You don't hold them accountable for just this report. You hold them accountable for all they do and if you decide you don't like it, and that others will do a better job, then you change them. Part of your decision will be based on the actions that have flowed as a consequence of this report. It's the actions which matter and not who gets to read it. That you mistrust everyone involved is not a reason to publish. Whether we like it or not we delegate the responsibility for these decisions to Parliament and having done so cannot just decide as we don't like one of them that something else must happen. Do that and there would be never ending consequences. Action like this?
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Matov 08 May 20 9.46pm | |
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Teddy Eagle 08 May 20 10.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
And let’s be honest; when have any politicians or officials been anything other than 100% honest and correct in everything they think, say and do? Well, except one in America who seems to buck the trend.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 10.36pm | |
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No. Action from the lessons learned in the investigation into some of the failings like this. Which will be covered in the report.
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Teddy Eagle 08 May 20 10.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No. Action from the lessons learned in the investigation into some of the failings like this. Which will be covered in the report. Right. So not like the last 18 years. This time it’ll be different. And if it isn’t it’s only a few years until we can elect the fifth PM since the first report was ignored. Good to know.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 10.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Don't be so daft. I have very little faith in Patel. This decision won't though have been taken by her on her own will it? I expect it will have been taken by the PM and approved by cabinet on advice from the Police and even intelligence services. I would think it was a very difficult thing for them to accept because they would know what a fuss it would generate in a section of the public and gives plenty of mud for the tabloids to hurl about. So unless it was really necessary I don't think they would be doing it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 11.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Right. So not like the last 18 years. This time it’ll be different. And if it isn’t it’s only a few years until we can elect the fifth PM since the first report was ignored. Good to know. No it's not like the last 18 years. I think that an awful lot has changed during that time, mistakes realised and lessons learned. There is always a big danger in trying to see what happened a decade or more ago through a lens focussed on today. There will still be mistakes. People make mistakes. They won't be the same mistakes though and there will be a awful lot of people watching to make sure that when they happen we all know about it.
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Teddy Eagle 08 May 20 11.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it's not like the last 18 years. I think that an awful lot has changed during that time, mistakes realised and lessons learned. There is always a big danger in trying to see what happened a decade or more ago through a lens focussed on today. There will still be mistakes. People make mistakes. They won't be the same mistakes though and there will be a awful lot of people watching to make sure that when they happen we all know about it. And the evidence for this assertion is what, beyond wishful thinking?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 May 20 12.28am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And the evidence for this assertion is what, beyond wishful thinking? Look around. Everything is changing all the time. Nothing really stands still. Politics included. Parliament and cabinet by Zoom! The growth of social media, spread of disinformation and consequential distrust of the traditional, edited, media. Everything is under a constant 24 hour spotlight today. Visit your married gf when you ought not be out and the world knows tomorrow. 18 years ago it would have taken a News of the World hack weeks of sifting through dustbins to get that dirt. No, if there is no action then it won't just be able to be brushed under the carpet as it might have been in the past.
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