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elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 7.52pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Glad he got a job so quickly. But was he or the Polish workers exploited? What do you think nick....who lost his job him or the Polish...answers on a postcard
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 7.56pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
What do you think nick....who lost his job him or the Polish...answers on a postcard A postcard would take too long Who employed him? A pole? Who offered to realise employ him? A pole. Was it the poles fault we went through economic crisis meaning job losses? I see where you are coming from, but to blame immigration for the s*** state of affairs has a touch of look over there and blame them to deflect you from blaming the real root of the problem Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 8.02pm)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.01pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
If they are owned by people who have bought them/mortgage them then they are theirs to do what they want. Shrug your shoulders and saying s*** happens won't change it. Put a huge levy on empty habitable properties or compulsory purchase them. Properties lying empty is morally wrong in my book.
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elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 8.04pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
A postcard would take too long Who employed him? A pole? Who offered to realise employ him? A pole. Was it the poles fault we went through economic crisis meaning job losses? I see where you are coming from, but to blame immigration for the s*** state of affairs has a touch of look over there and blame them to deflect you from blaming the real root of the problem to it. Who said I was blaming anyone.just stating facts nick,75% Polish workforce 25% other I. E brits Irish, and the 25 who were let go were non Polish.
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elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 8.07pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Shrug your shoulders and saying s*** happens won't change it. Put a huge levy on empty habitable properties or compulsory purchase them. Properties lying empty is morally wrong in my book. It's private property nick other people's property.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.12pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
It's private property nick other people's property. No, but I don't think it's morally right for people to own houses if they are not intended for habitation, whether under a fair rent or whatever.
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We are goin up! Coulsdon 05 Oct 16 8.13pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Again a s***e baseless rebuttal that does nothing to argue against the points made. It's a load of old crock(ery)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.14pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Who said I was blaming anyone.just stating facts nick,75% Polish workforce 25% other I. E brits Irish, and the 25 who were let go were non Polish. I see where you are coming from, but that doesn't make scapegoating immigrants in the way that the Tories have done/ are doing right. Unfortunately that is the way this country is heading.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.17pm | |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
Are you going to respond to any other of my posts I've made tonight on this thread or can I assume you've no arguments against the points I've made in them ?
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Oct 16 8.41pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What about doing something about 500000 + empty houses in the UK? You only ask such a question as a swerve because you know I'm right. As has been said, those houses are owned by people. If the government wish to legislate in some way then fine but that doesn't alter the reality that immigration is the primary cause of wage suppression and housing shortage.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 9.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You only ask such a question as a swerve because you know I'm right. As has been said, those houses are owned by people. If the government wish to legislate in some way then fine but that doesn't alter the reality that immigration is the primary cause of wage suppression and housing shortage. Have to agree to disagree there.
Jonathan Wadsworth, one of the authors of the CEP report and a former member of the government’s Migration Advisory Committee, says: “There is still no evidence of an overall negative impact of immigration on jobs, [or] wages.” Do low-skilled UK citizens bear the brunt of EU migration? A number of studies have found there is a small negative effect of migration on the wages of low-skilled workers — those with whom migrants compete most directly. Research published last year by Sir Stephen Nickell of the Office for Budget Responsibility suggested there was a small negative effect of migration on the wages of locals in the semi-skilled and unskilled service sector — such as care workers, shop assistants, restaurant and bar workers. Mr Portes of the NIESR thinks Sir Stephen’s research results are nevertheless small. “The impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 per cent, over a period of eight years,” he says. While not disputing Mr Portes’ assessment, Professor Ian Preston of University College London notes that the government could nonetheless improve the outcome for the low paid. The role of government should be “to see that the long-term benefits [of immigration] are enjoyed widely and the negative effects on those whose lives may be disrupted are recognised and addressed,” he says. What effect do migrants have on public services and the public finances? Recent EU migrants have typically been relatively young and are more likely to be in work than the local population. Consequently, they place less demand on many public services, are less likely to receive benefits and pay higher levels of taxes on average than UK citizens do. Professor Christian Dustmann of University College London has found that between 2001 and 2011, the net fiscal contribution of migrants from the ten central and eastern European countries that joined the EU in 2004 or 2007 was almost £5 billion. Over the same period, British citizens received more in public spending than they paid in tax. But this sort of comparison provides a partial picture. New migrants are young and likely to be employed. Locals with the same characteristics will also place a relatively low average demand on the public purse. If migrants stay in Britain into old age — when they may start to draw more heavily on health services and public pensions — their net contribution is likely to diminish. However, even taking account of these longer-term effects, the OBR suggests that the UK’s fiscal position would be significantly worse in 50 years if migration was to be lower.
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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 16 9.54pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Well why is it was wrong to ask firms the ethnic origins of their workforce,(fill out any format nowadays and you have to tick a box. Cheers for the reply; so: As many "leavers" were so fond of saying, we fought a war against Hitler. Having registers of non-British workers is straight out of the "foreigners as scapegoats" playbook. Why not force up the minimum wage, so that workers get paid a fair whack regardless of who they are? Why not actually enforce wage legislation that already exists and send scum like Mike Ashley to jail for flaunting it? Why not force employers and companies that sub out work to register their anonymous payroll data - numbers of bodies paid at xxx rate, for example - to ensure fair pay compliance? That works for everyone. Except the new Tories in UKIP clothing aren't interested in making employers pay their fair share - they are going straight for the "it's all the europeans' fault" card. It would also help if our F***ing governments could f***ing well run education properly, so we could fill a lot of the jobs that certainly the big City firms milk the freedom of movement clause to fill.
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