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elgrande Flag bedford 05 Oct 16 7.52pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Glad he got a job so quickly. But was he or the Polish workers exploited?

What do you think nick....who lost his job him or the Polish...answers on a postcard

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 7.56pm

Originally posted by elgrande

What do you think nick....who lost his job him or the Polish...answers on a postcard

A postcard would take too long

Who employed him? A pole? Who offered to realise employ him? A pole. Was it the poles fault we went through economic crisis meaning job losses?

I see where you are coming from, but to blame immigration for the s*** state of affairs has a touch of look over there and blame them to deflect you from blaming the real root of the problem

Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 8.02pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.01pm

Originally posted by elgrande

If they are owned by people who have bought them/mortgage them then they are theirs to do what they want.
Doesn't mean I agree with it but there you go.

Shrug your shoulders and saying s*** happens won't change it.

Put a huge levy on empty habitable properties or compulsory purchase them. Properties lying empty is morally wrong in my book.

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 05 Oct 16 8.04pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

A postcard would take too long

Who employed him? A pole? Who offered to realise employ him? A pole. Was it the poles fault we went through economic crisis meaning job losses?

I see where you are coming from, but to blame immigration for the s*** state of affairs has a touch of look over there and blame them to deflect you from blaming the real root of the problem to it.

Who said I was blaming anyone.just stating facts nick,75% Polish workforce 25% other I. E brits Irish, and the 25 who were let go were non Polish.
My point is they could have made it a fairer share....don't think they were being racist

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 05 Oct 16 8.07pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Shrug your shoulders and saying s*** happens won't change it.

Put a huge levy on empty habitable properties or compulsory purchase them. Properties lying empty is morally wrong in my book.

It's private property nick other people's property.
So you are blaming people who have money for people not having anywhere to live.
As I said I don't really agree with having empty properties but you can't just take it off them.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.12pm

Originally posted by elgrande

It's private property nick other people's property.
So you are blaming people who have money for people not having anywhere to live.
As I said I don't really agree with having empty properties but you can't just take it off them.

No, but I don't think it's morally right for people to own houses if they are not intended for habitation, whether under a fair rent or whatever.

 

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We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 05 Oct 16 8.13pm Send a Private Message to We are goin up! Add We are goin up! as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Again a s***e baseless rebuttal that does nothing to argue against the points made.

Come on you lot, Stop using daily mail bingo phrases.

It's a load of old crock(ery)


This post is so drenched in irony my eyes have rolled to the back of my head.

 


The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.14pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Who said I was blaming anyone.just stating facts nick,75% Polish workforce 25% other I. E brits Irish, and the 25 who were let go were non Polish.
My point is they could have made it a fairer share....don't think they were being racist

I see where you are coming from, but that doesn't make scapegoating immigrants in the way that the Tories have done/ are doing right. Unfortunately that is the way this country is heading.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.17pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!


This post is so drenched in irony my eyes have rolled to the back of my head.

Are you going to respond to any other of my posts I've made tonight on this thread or can I assume you've no arguments against the points I've made in them ?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Oct 16 8.41pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

What about doing something about 500000 + empty houses in the UK?

You only ask such a question as a swerve because you know I'm right.

As has been said, those houses are owned by people. If the government wish to legislate in some way then fine but that doesn't alter the reality that immigration is the primary cause of wage suppression and housing shortage.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 9.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You only ask such a question as a swerve because you know I'm right.

As has been said, those houses are owned by people. If the government wish to legislate in some way then fine but that doesn't alter the reality that immigration is the primary cause of wage suppression and housing shortage.

Have to agree to disagree there.
From that lefty rag the financial times...


There is little evidence that more migrants push wages down or unemployment up. Economists from the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics say that when they look at the areas with the largest increase in EU immigration, these have not seen the sharpest falls in employment or wages since 2008.

Jonathan Wadsworth, one of the authors of the CEP report and a former member of the government’s Migration Advisory Committee, says: “There is still no evidence of an overall negative impact of immigration on jobs, [or] wages.”

Do low-skilled UK citizens bear the brunt of EU migration?

A number of studies have found there is a small negative effect of migration on the wages of low-skilled workers — those with whom migrants compete most directly.

Research published last year by Sir Stephen Nickell of the Office for Budget Responsibility suggested there was a small negative effect of migration on the wages of locals in the semi-skilled and unskilled service sector — such as care workers, shop assistants, restaurant and bar workers.

Mr Portes of the NIESR thinks Sir Stephen’s research results are nevertheless small. “The impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 per cent, over a period of eight years,” he says.

While not disputing Mr Portes’ assessment, Professor Ian Preston of University College London notes that the government could nonetheless improve the outcome for the low paid. The role of government should be “to see that the long-term benefits [of immigration] are enjoyed widely and the negative effects on those whose lives may be disrupted are recognised and addressed,” he says.

What effect do migrants have on public services and the public finances?

Recent EU migrants have typically been relatively young and are more likely to be in work than the local population. Consequently, they place less demand on many public services, are less likely to receive benefits and pay higher levels of taxes on average than UK citizens do.

Professor Christian Dustmann of University College London has found that between 2001 and 2011, the net fiscal contribution of migrants from the ten central and eastern European countries that joined the EU in 2004 or 2007 was almost £5 billion. Over the same period, British citizens received more in public spending than they paid in tax.

But this sort of comparison provides a partial picture. New migrants are young and likely to be employed. Locals with the same characteristics will also place a relatively low average demand on the public purse. If migrants stay in Britain into old age — when they may start to draw more heavily on health services and public pensions — their net contribution is likely to diminish.

However, even taking account of these longer-term effects, the OBR suggests that the UK’s fiscal position would be significantly worse in 50 years if migration was to be lower.

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Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 16 9.54pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Gristle Add Mr_Gristle as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

Well why is it was wrong to ask firms the ethnic origins of their workforce,(fill out any format nowadays and you have to tick a box.
If there were not so many immigrants to take the jobs then maybe just maybe the companies would have to pay the going rates.
And for him to say the tories are making promises on immigration that they can't deliver.
Corbyn has said he would have a total open door policy.
How's that Mr gristle.

Cheers for the reply; so:

As many "leavers" were so fond of saying, we fought a war against Hitler. Having registers of non-British workers is straight out of the "foreigners as scapegoats" playbook. Why not force up the minimum wage, so that workers get paid a fair whack regardless of who they are?

Why not actually enforce wage legislation that already exists and send scum like Mike Ashley to jail for flaunting it?

Why not force employers and companies that sub out work to register their anonymous payroll data - numbers of bodies paid at xxx rate, for example - to ensure fair pay compliance?

That works for everyone. Except the new Tories in UKIP clothing aren't interested in making employers pay their fair share - they are going straight for the "it's all the europeans' fault" card.

It would also help if our F***ing governments could f***ing well run education properly, so we could fill a lot of the jobs that certainly the big City firms milk the freedom of movement clause to fill.

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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