The bloke who throws up any zero context propoganda link going that demonises Ukranians, but starts talking about 'positioning of shadows' when incredibly well documented and detailed footage and testomonials of Russian war crimes is posted, thinks he has something to say.

As with my easily proven point that there is a consistent Russian media and government push that any Ukrainan resistance to Russia aggression is deemed 'nazi' it matters not what is posted, proven or obvious. I've not at any stage said that Ukraine doesn't have its own issues. I have just taken issues with your insane denials of absolutely anything critical of Russia. This is an age old tactic from Russia, dating back before Tsar Peter the great. Kidnapping their adversaries and indocrinating them. Nothing new.

Edited by BlueJay (03 Jun 2022 2.20pm)

Thanks for the laugh.

Oh yes, that'll be why you relentlessly demonise an invaded country, coin them a Nazi controlled nation, and view it as shameful that anyone would arm them as their people are torn to pieces defending their nation. How very 'anti war'.

Everyone but Russia in your eyes is 'betraying their people' in this conflcit. Us, Ukraine, European nations.. But of course the country actually engaging in mass aggression is in no way to blame and has no role in de-escalating this do they? You're more off your nut with each new day.

Exactly. He wants the Ukranian people to roll over unarmed, for Putin's army to march into the Capital and imagines that to be 'peace', rather than inevitable genocidal behaviour. Putin and Russian media's view of Ukranian identity is deeply disturbing:

What Russia Should Do with Ukraine
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"brutal censorship" of the Ukrainian culture, large-scale "re-education" and "de-ukrainization" of Ukrainians"

"The author claims that "most likely the majority" of Ukrainian civilians are "Nazis"

"Ukrainian Nazism is unique due to its amorphism and ambiguity"

The American historian Timothy Snyder wrote that the text "advocates the elimination of the Ukrainian people as such". He later noted that it uses a special definition of the word "Nazi": "a Nazi is a Ukrainian who refuses to admit being a Russian". In his opinion, the article reveals the genocidal intent of Russia

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"Russin State TV Alexei Zhuravlev, member of Russia's parliament, threatens 2 million Ukrainians with annihilation, describing them as 'incurable' Nazis who will never be convinced to support Russia's war."

"When Putin says that there is no Ukrainian nation and no Ukrainian state, he means that he intends to destroy the Ukrainian nation and the Ukrainian state."

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There are countless examples of Russian members of parliament, Putin himself and approved media messaging stating that Ukranians essentially have no right to even exist as a people, and that resistance to Russian aggression alone makes them 'nazis' who should be wiped out. They're not hiding their intentions in the slightest. W12 appears to have no criticism of this, and would no doubt view those Ukranians fighting against a total Russian takeover should that happen as terrorists or nazis too - and we know what would then happen to them... and what is happening. How peaceful.

Edited by BlueJay (03 Jun 2022 3.38pm)

It's quite something when someone states their position and then gets told that it's not actually their position.

It's very Maoist.

I defended Steely when he changed his position somewhat on this war and Steely genuinely doesn't like me. I don't see why W12 words don't deserve the same.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

This is going to get very messy very quickly if this is true. Would the west really not want to stop it? Scary times indeed!

Well, the west aren't interested in negotiations so what will be will be. All the actors here are seemingly only interested in escalation, politically, economically and militarily.

If we are all going to get fried there's nothing anyone can do about it. It's just unfortunate that no one gets to be held to account.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)