Well, firstly there is what the man actually has said himself....which as usual you seem to be unaware of...and then there is the rather obvious first phrase of the invasion, which rather obviously expected Ukrainian troop surrender and a fall of the government.

But hey....apparently it's all just an unfathomable mystery and Putin is Hitler and the analysis ends.

Biden level analysis I might add.

You are entitled to your opinion.

Just as I am entitled to criticise it for throwing tens of billions the west can't afford at a problem they played a part in creating....when their chance of success was unlikely....relying upon sanctions to stop Russia...which was and is a miscalculation.

I would agree with that to an extent as I will never criticise nationalists from fighting for what they believe in. However, as that is their right it's another question that Nato should be contributing to fighting Russia outside of a Nato alliance country. I think it has cost far more lives and cost unbelievable amounts of money...most of which end up with defence contractors and corrupt politicians.....and they will always end up asking for more.

If you feel there is a moral duty to defend the Ukraine against Russia, then get over there and fight. Most of the Ukraine's best troops have been killed off or injured/captured and the bulk of its force are now conscripted troops...in other words those forced to sign up who will have varying commitment levels.....especially to sacrifice their lives on an unwinnable war...which to the conscripted is much more yours than there's.

Orban has accepted refugees, he has signed onto sanctions and he has given humanitarian aid to the Ukraine.

What he hasn't done is throw huge amounts of money at a corrupt regime on a war they can't win.

The west is losing this war....and as a westerner I criticise the choices of our low quality elites to properly gauge rational decisions. At the end of this war it'll be the likes of you being criticised not me.

This was never the right hill to die on.

You obviously still haven't got the reality of how the world's power structures work have you. Look at how those sanctions have affected the west's economies compared to Russia's.

But hey, carry on being a numpty and producing incoherent platitudes like your favoured Biden.

There is reality and then there is WE.

I don't care what 'Putin propaganda' says...besides their channels are blocked so I don't hear it. All I get to hear is my own side's propaganda, which at the moment is mostly cope and justifications for bad decisions.

I look at what actually happens and compare it to what's reported. You can carry on being comical Ali.

Link me to where Putin has said he wants to militarily gain back all the former soviet union.

Certainly it's the likes of you that have supported escalation which have broken down all paths to negotiation so everything is now on the table....that's what total war produces.

The Ukrainian situation is a war made out of policy since the early 2000s.....Those that know, know and I've written about it copiously so I won't endlessly repeat myself.

Regardless of Nato policy that I regard as counter productive and just ethnically wrong (as is Russia) I have always supported increasing the military support of Nato countries (you know, the actual countries we are meant to defend) just as I support the enlargement of the British military (which isn't happening. Again thanks to the fiscal policies that people like you have pursued)

Yes I can.

The events in the Ukraine came about over a western backed undemocratic coop back in 2014. If that hadn't happened this war wouldn't be happening either.

You made a 'moral' case for defending the Ukraine and that 'moral' case is there for the Houthis as well.

Pick and choose, 'morality'.

Carry on being wrong and supporting another incredibly expensive failure for us.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2022 7.15am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It would look like one of those security papers with every thing blacked out apart from Mr a n other

It's a prime example of power in action.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Errr...that was a democratically elected government that was overthrown. It represented the will of the majority of the Ukraine at the time.

This from the guy who claims to support democracy.

If that coop hadn't happened it's highly unlikely that we would be in this position.....untold lives would still be living and the Ukraine would have a future worth living in as well.

But hey...neo cons don't give a feck.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jul 2022 5.30am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Anyone who wanted to understand the recent history of Ukraine would do well to understand the role of Victoria Nuland.

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I fear nobody wants to do the reading any more.

As usual, Tucker Carlson spouts bs. He picks on an incident which cannot be defended and then draws completely wrong conclusions from it, as though they are facts.

No-one disputes the right to self-defence. Nor should anyone judge a case they haven't had the full facts put in front of them and are qualified to judge. Judges do that. Not us. Nor politicians.

The level of defence will always be assessed against it's need in the circumstances. None of us know those circumstances. We only know what Tucker Carlson wants us to know, and I regard that with a lot of suspicion.

Seeking to blame the "Democrats" is just political pot stirring and rabble-rousing, which serves no-one but himself and his desire to maintain his "ratings".

Tucker Carlson embodies all that is sick in the USA today.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.