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Stirlingsays 17 Apr 20 3.42pm
Pure TDS. Meanwhile back in the UK....We are flying in Romanians to pick strawberries and stuff. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 3.43pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Apr 20 3.42pm

Pure TDS.

Meanwhile back in the UK....We are flying in Romanians to pick strawberries and stuff.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 3.43pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 20 3.52pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The whole truth, and why it's the whole truth, won't be known until this is all over. Right now we only know what we think is the truth. Verification cannot be done yet, so who-ever you think is verifying it is actually just offering an opinion of what the truth might be. Even if it WAS the truth Trump still ought not be using it as a political football designed to draw the eyes of his support base off his own failings. Real Presidents lead and protect. They don't campaign in the middle of a pandemic. And right now Trump has stated the known truth. If he didn’t he’d be accused of evasion. How many politicians don’t use events, from wars to economic collapses, to their advantage? It’s quite amusing that a man regarded as a complete buffoon can become a manipulative genius when it suits.
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17 Apr 20 3.52pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The whole truth, and why it's the whole truth, won't be known until this is all over. Right now we only know what we think is the truth. Verification cannot be done yet, so who-ever you think is verifying it is actually just offering an opinion of what the truth might be.

Even if it WAS the truth Trump still ought not be using it as a political football designed to draw the eyes of his support base off his own failings.

Real Presidents lead and protect. They don't campaign in the middle of a pandemic.

And right now Trump has stated the known truth. If he didn’t he’d be accused of evasion. How many politicians don’t use events, from wars to economic collapses, to their advantage?
It’s quite amusing that a man regarded as a complete buffoon can become a manipulative genius when it suits.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Apr 20 4.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Pure TDS. Meanwhile back in the UK....We are flying in Romanians to pick strawberries and stuff. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 3.43pm) Same in Ireland. Currently nearly a million unemployed but we needed 'skilled horticultural workers' as Keelings has described them. [Link] Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Apr 20 4.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Pure TDS.

Meanwhile back in the UK....We are flying in Romanians to pick strawberries and stuff.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 3.43pm)

Same in Ireland. Currently nearly a million unemployed but we needed 'skilled horticultural workers' as Keelings has described them.

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Red and Blue Army!

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Stirlingsays 17 Apr 20 4.10pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Same in Ireland. Currently nearly a million unemployed but we needed 'skilled horticultural workers' as Keelings has described them. [Link] Skilled as in easy to exploit and pay low. I thought the idea of capitalism, supply and demand was that if the job's wages doesn't attract enough applicants that you pay more until it does. But it appears that's only for white collar jobs it seems. The old left use to argue against this, but they are so brainwashed with universalism that they actually support it......just as much enemies of the native working classes as the neo liberal internationalists. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 4.12pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Apr 20 4.10pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Same in Ireland. Currently nearly a million unemployed but we needed 'skilled horticultural workers' as Keelings has described them.

[Link]

Skilled as in easy to exploit and pay low.

I thought the idea of capitalism, supply and demand was that if the job's wages doesn't attract enough applicants that you pay more until it does.

But it appears that's only for white collar jobs it seems.

The old left use to argue against this, but they are so brainwashed with universalism that they actually support it......just as much enemies of the native working classes as the neo liberal internationalists.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 4.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 20 4.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Skilled as in easy to exploit and pay low. I thought the idea of capitalism, supply and demand was that if the job's wages doesn't attract enough applicants that you pay more until it does. But it appears that's only for white collar jobs it seems. The old left use to argue against this, but they are so brainwashed with universalism that they actually support it......just as much enemies of the native working classes as the neo liberal internationalists. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 4.12pm) Heard this morning that over 33000 applied for farm jobs but only 16% got to interview stage! What sort of interview would this need? Less than 200 Brits given jobs. Now many may have had second thoughts but it would be interesting to know how you fail an interview to pick fruit. I don’t blame the Romanians but why does it appear to be so difficult for Brits to get these jobs. Genuinely interested
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Horsham 17 Apr 20 4.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Skilled as in easy to exploit and pay low.

I thought the idea of capitalism, supply and demand was that if the job's wages doesn't attract enough applicants that you pay more until it does.

But it appears that's only for white collar jobs it seems.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 4.12pm)

Heard this morning that over 33000 applied for farm jobs but only 16% got to interview stage! What sort of interview would this need? Less than 200 Brits given jobs. Now many may have had second thoughts but it would be interesting to know how you fail an interview to pick fruit. I don’t blame the Romanians but why does it appear to be so difficult for Brits to get these jobs. Genuinely interested

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Stirlingsays 17 Apr 20 4.53pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Heard this morning that over 33000 applied for farm jobs but only 16% got to interview stage! What sort of interview would this need? Less than 200 Brits given jobs. Now many may have had second thoughts but it would be interesting to know how you fail an interview to pick fruit. I don’t blame the Romanians but why does it appear to be so difficult for Brits to get these jobs. Genuinely interested I think you know. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Apr 20 4.53pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I think you know.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.00pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Same in Ireland. Currently nearly a million unemployed but we needed 'skilled horticultural workers' as Keelings has described them. [Link] Replace that with cheap labour
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Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.00pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Same in Ireland. Currently nearly a million unemployed but we needed 'skilled horticultural workers' as Keelings has described them.

[Link]

Replace that with cheap labour

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think you know. Moi
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Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think you know.

Moi

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cryrst The garden of England 17 Apr 20 5.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Morality and Trump ought never be used in the same context. He does nothing for moral reasons. Only ever for selfish or financial reasons. The time to decide he "isn't getting enough bang for his buck" is after this is all over. If anyone has concerns about the performance of the WHO I am quite sure that mechanisms exist for review and improvement. Taking arbitrary decisions, without consultation, on issues which require international cooperation has regrettably been Trump's modus operandi since becoming the POTUS. He always does it as a sop to his base and not for genuine, science based reasons. Never though has it been quite so stupid as this time. People will die as a consequence. So when it's over and the WHO has its money why would they change. That is what trump believes to be how it will be so hes acting in the now. I will be amazed if this is the only country making this decision. That will put your arbitrary line totally to bed. People dying is happening with or without the WHO so that's an excuse. Their early assessment and reporting has probably caused more deaths and will continue to, than trump withholding 15%.
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The garden of England 17 Apr 20 5.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Morality and Trump ought never be used in the same context. He does nothing for moral reasons. Only ever for selfish or financial reasons.

The time to decide he "isn't getting enough bang for his buck" is after this is all over. If anyone has concerns about the performance of the WHO I am quite sure that mechanisms exist for review and improvement.

Taking arbitrary decisions, without consultation, on issues which require international cooperation has regrettably been Trump's modus operandi since becoming the POTUS. He always does it as a sop to his base and not for genuine, science based reasons. Never though has it been quite so stupid as this time. People will die as a consequence.

So when it's over and the WHO has its money why would they change. That is what trump believes to be how it will be so hes acting in the now. I will be amazed if this is the only country making this decision. That will put your arbitrary line totally to bed. People dying is happening with or without the WHO so that's an excuse. Their early assessment and reporting has probably caused more deaths and will continue to, than trump withholding 15%.

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.13pm
Originally posted by cryrst So when it's over and the WHO has its money why would they change. That is what trump believes to be how it will be so hes acting in the now. I will be amazed if this is the only country making this decision. That will put your arbitrary line totally to bed. People dying is happening with or without the WHO so that's an excuse. Their early assessment and reporting has probably caused more deaths and will continue to, than trump withholding 15%. I agree with you although IMO Trump may have been better served by not withdrawing funding now but making it clear that, unless answers are forthcoming, when this crisis has passed, funding will be slashed. Maybe then he would get more Global support and focus the minds of the WHO
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Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.13pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I agree with you although IMO Trump may have been better served by not withdrawing funding now but making it clear that, unless answers are forthcoming, when this crisis has passed, funding will be slashed. Maybe then he would get more Global support and focus the minds of the WHO

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Morality and Trump ought never be used in the same context. He does nothing for moral reasons. Only ever for selfish or financial reasons. The time to decide he "isn't getting enough bang for his buck" is after this is all over. If anyone has concerns about the performance of the WHO I am quite sure that mechanisms exist for review and improvement. Taking arbitrary decisions, without consultation, on issues which require international cooperation has regrettably been Trump's modus operandi since becoming the POTUS. He always does it as a sop to his base and not for genuine, science based reasons. Never though has it been quite so stupid as this time. People will die as a consequence. Possibly but no proof, so surely this is just your opinion
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Horsham 17 Apr 20 5.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Morality and Trump ought never be used in the same context. He does nothing for moral reasons. Only ever for selfish or financial reasons.

Possibly but no proof, so surely this is just your opinion

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Apr 20 5.22pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Heard this morning that over 33000 applied for farm jobs but only 16% got to interview stage! What sort of interview would this need? Less than 200 Brits given jobs. Now many may have had second thoughts but it would be interesting to know how you fail an interview to pick fruit. I don’t blame the Romanians but why does it appear to be so difficult for Brits to get these jobs. Genuinely interested To harvest some fruits such as apples etc,you must be able to climb a ladder,remove the fruit and place it in a basket without injury.Other fruits,such as strawberries etc,grow on low-lying plants,so you must have the endurance and strength to bend over for long periods of time.One also has to be able to work in inclement weather. The physical aspects of the job might not suit certain people. I understand that there is on-the-job training rather than formal training.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Apr 20 5.22pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

To harvest some fruits such as apples etc,you must be able to climb a ladder,remove the fruit and place it in a basket without injury.Other fruits,such as strawberries etc,grow on low-lying plants,so you must have the endurance and strength to bend over for long periods of time.One also has to be able to work in inclement weather.
The physical aspects of the job might not suit certain people.
I understand that there is on-the-job training rather than formal training.

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