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PalazioVecchio south pole 08 May 20 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
" We have prioritised this horrific crime as a national threat.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 9.57am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
This was the response Government responded:
That seems to me to be a pretty comprehensive summary of the steps being taken, written in unambiguous language. There is actually a hint there of at least one of the reasons why it is not being publically released. Highlighted! It must surely be better to know that things are being done rather than be kept in the dark and not know. That, after all, is the only way to protect people and bring perpetrators to justice. The MP's asking for a revised explanation are presumably not yet satisfied they fully know why the report is being kept internal and not made public. Like us they may never know if it is considered too sensitive, or prejudicial to ongoing cases or enquiries. The relevant select committee will know. Ministers will know. That ought to be enough but clearly won't be for some people. I would have thought the most effective thing now was to constantly scrutinise the government's, and relevant authorities', progress on attaining the aims set out in their explanation. That will achieve much more that pursuing a blame game or demanding to see all the evidence yourself. Or to "sow further division"!
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Matov 08 May 20 10.23am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So you think there should be no blame then? Surely the point of an inquiry is to discover the blame?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 10.40am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
So you think there should be no blame then? Surely the point of an inquiry is to discover the blame? Surely the point of an enquiry is to put things right? Blame only becomes important when there is a need to discipline or prosecute. Accountability for decisions is a better concept than blame, in my view, as it is more likely to produce positive consequences. Blame induces defensive responses.
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 20 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That seems to me to be a pretty comprehensive summary of the steps being taken, written in unambiguous language. There is actually a hint there of at least one of the reasons why it is not being publically released. Highlighted! It must surely be better to know that things are being done rather than be kept in the dark and not know. That, after all, is the only way to protect people and bring perpetrators to justice. The MP's asking for a revised explanation are presumably not yet satisfied they fully know why the report is being kept internal and not made public. Like us they may never know if it is considered too sensitive, or prejudicial to ongoing cases or enquiries. The relevant select committee will know. Ministers will know. That ought to be enough but clearly won't be for some people. I would have thought the most effective thing now was to constantly scrutinise the government's, and relevant authorities', progress on attaining the aims set out in their explanation. That will achieve much more that pursuing a blame game or demanding to see all the evidence yourself. Or to "sow further division"! Yup and that is the point of the appeal. Why can't the government simply say why they are not releasing the report this response did not answer the petition as they have not released the document nor have they clearly explained why they will not do so. Civil service BS.
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Midlands Eagle 08 May 20 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
If they haven't released the report out of concern what the idiotic vigilante gangs might do surely giving that as the reason is tantamount to the same thing
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 20 11.48am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
If they haven't released the report out of concern what the idiotic vigilante gangs might do surely giving that as the reason is tantamount to the same thing Is that the reason or are they ashamed about the massive establishment cover up.
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Matov 08 May 20 1.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Surely the point of an enquiry is to put things right? Blame only becomes important when there is a need to discipline or prosecute. Accountability for decisions is a better concept than blame, in my view, as it is more likely to produce positive consequences. Blame induces defensive responses. Lets go with accountability then. How can they be held 'accountable' if we don't know what is the report?
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Matov 08 May 20 1.55pm | |
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Also beginning to smell a rat around this report. Delaying publication makes little sense. If you are worried about public reaction then now is the perfect time to release it. People are in lockdown, the Police have extra powers and in short any and everything other than Covid 19 is relegated to the inside pages, soon to fade away. What if, and it would come as no surprise, this report is devastating for primarily Labour Councils? That their culpability is beyond forgiveness? Local elections have been cancelled but when they do happen, releasing this report in the run up... Ok. Political dirty tricks. I get that. But I wonder if many who are defending the delay might suddenly change their tune? And pure speculation on my part. Nothing more than a hunch.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 2.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Lets go with accountability then. How can they be held 'accountable' if we don't know what is the report? We aren't responsible for holding them accountable are we? It's those they report to who are. I expect many involved had to account for their decisions during the compilation of the report and that the lessons learned will form part of the strategy now being adopted. We don't determine that strategy. Our responsibility is to hold those we elect accountable once every 5 years.
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Teddy Eagle 08 May 20 3.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We aren't responsible for holding them accountable are we? It's those they report to who are. I expect many involved had to account for their decisions during the compilation of the report and that the lessons learned will form part of the strategy now being adopted. We don't determine that strategy. Our responsibility is to hold those we elect accountable once every 5 years. Wasn’t the decision not to publish made by the Home Office? How often do we get to elect them?
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orpingtoneagle Orpington 08 May 20 5.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Wasn’t the decision not to publish made by the Home Office? How often do we get to elect them? Ah yes blame the civil servants _ bunch of lrfties and apologists. If this has been surpressed by the Home Office then the decision would ultimately rest with the Home Secretary, not those around her.
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