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matt_himself Matataland 30 May 17 8.14pm
Originally posted by legaleagle That's a myth...Keir Starmer (whom I've seen close up at work) is IMHO a very clever,able and tough cookie indeed who knows how to handle the realpolitik of negotiating...David Davies by comparison comes across as about as able as Claude Davis in relation to Sakho. Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels. This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances. Why have you got such a boner for Kier? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 30 May 17 8.14pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

That's a myth...Keir Starmer (whom I've seen close up at work) is IMHO a very clever,able and tough cookie indeed who knows how to handle the realpolitik of negotiating...David Davies by comparison comes across as about as able as Claude Davis in relation to Sakho.

Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels.

This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances.

Why have you got such a boner for Kier?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 May 17 8.16pm
Originally posted by nickgusset We can't say the kids are at fault because they witnessed domestic violence or suffered from neglect or there is an issue with alcohol or drugs. Maybe the kid is a primary carer for their parent. More prevalent than you'd think. Mentioning that budget cuts do nothing to alleviate or break the vicious circle you allude to (quite correctly) nor does a pish poor social services because what staff are left are massively overstretched is not point scoring. It's a fact that needs to be faced and dealt with by whoever is in Government. At the moment it's not far from breaking point. Labour did nothing to fix any of this so why keep on about it?
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Originally posted by nickgusset

We can't say the kids are at fault because they witnessed domestic violence or suffered from neglect or there is an issue with alcohol or drugs. Maybe the kid is a primary carer for their parent. More prevalent than you'd think.

Mentioning that budget cuts do nothing to alleviate or break the vicious circle you allude to (quite correctly) nor does a pish poor social services because what staff are left are massively overstretched is not point scoring. It's a fact that needs to be faced and dealt with by whoever is in Government. At the moment it's not far from breaking point.

Labour did nothing to fix any of this so why keep on about it?

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hedgehog50 Croydon 30 May 17 8.18pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Fair enough. I respect that. But I'd rather someone negotiating that is calm under pressure. May has shown herself to be a chocolate teapot too often IMHO. There's only 1 t in Gusset. He wasn't that calm on Radio 4 this morning when he didn't have a clue as to how much his latest 'let's buy some more votes with some benefit promises' pitch would cost. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 30 May 17 8.18pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Fair enough. I respect that. But I'd rather someone negotiating that is calm under pressure. May has shown herself to be a chocolate teapot too often IMHO.

There's only 1 t in Gusset.

He wasn't that calm on Radio 4 this morning when he didn't have a clue as to how much his latest 'let's buy some more votes with some benefit promises' pitch would cost.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 8.21pm
Originally posted by susmik We are all waiting for your next reply in relation to name calling ????? I'm not.
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Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 8.21pm

Originally posted by susmik

We are all waiting for your next reply in relation to name calling ?????

I'm not.

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elgrande bedford 30 May 17 9.08pm
Originally posted by nickgusset We can't say the kids are at fault because they witnessed domestic violence or suffered from neglect or there is an issue with alcohol or drugs. Maybe the kid is a primary carer for their parent. More prevalent than you'd think. Mentioning that budget cuts do nothing to alleviate or break the vicious circle you allude to (quite correctly) nor does a pish poor social services because what staff are left are massively overstretched is not point scoring. It's a fact that needs to be faced and dealt with by whoever is in Government. At the moment it's not far from breaking point. Well for one social services have struggled for years and years,so you can't just blame this government for that. And I appreciate that a lot n of kids have problem parents,my father was an alcoholic. But he still taught me manners. So it doesn't always mean the kids are gonna be bad. But it doesn't alter the fact there are more children having children most with stupid names who have no idea how to deal with kids. And blame schools,teachers,and every body else for their own failures. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 30 May 17 9.08pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Well for one social services have struggled for years and years,so you can't just blame this government for that.
And I appreciate that a lot n of kids have problem parents,my father was an alcoholic.
But he still taught me manners.
So it doesn't always mean the kids are gonna be bad.
But it doesn't alter the fact there are more children having children most with stupid names who have no idea how to deal with kids.
And blame schools,teachers,and every body else for their own failures.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 9.55pm
Originally posted by elgrande Well for one social services have struggled for years and years,so you can't just blame this government for that. And I appreciate that a lot n of kids have problem parents,my father was an alcoholic. But he still taught me manners. So it doesn't always mean the kids are gonna be bad. But it doesn't alter the fact there are more children having children most with stupid names who have no idea how to deal with kids. And blame schools,teachers,and every body else for their own failures. In the 15 years I taught , I met about 6 parents / sets of parents like that.
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Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 9.55pm

Originally posted by elgrande

In the 15 years I taught , I met about 6 parents / sets of parents like that.

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elgrande bedford 30 May 17 9.59pm
Originally posted by nickgusset In the 15 years I taught , I met about 6 parents / sets of parents like that. Well you must be lucky then,because there are great swathes of them all over the country. I live in a village,and there is 3 families like it here. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 30 May 17 9.59pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

In the 15 years I taught , I met about 6 parents / sets of parents like that.

Well you must be lucky then,because there are great swathes of them all over the country.
I live in a village,and there is 3 families like it here.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 30 May 17 10.18pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels. This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances. Why have you got such a boner for Kier? Out of interest, what do you base your belief in Davis' skills in diplomacy on? The only thing I really remember him ever doing is getting his arse handed to him by Cameron in the leadership election... If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by matt_himself

Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels.

This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances.

Why have you got such a boner for Kier?

Out of interest, what do you base your belief in Davis' skills in diplomacy on?

The only thing I really remember him ever doing is getting his arse handed to him by Cameron in the leadership election...

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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legaleagle 30 May 17 10.23pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels. This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances. Why have you got such a boner for Kier? I suspect the more pertinent question might be,are you actually aware you have no idea what you are talking about? The Bar is a tried and tested preparation for good politicians.For example,22% of Conservative MP's have a legal background. Plus Starmer has been DPP and head of the CPS,a distinctly ungenteel job. I suspect he would in fact take your boy Mr D to pieces in a brain and nous not bluster and brawn contest that wouldn't go the distance.. That's the same DD who showed his political talents by losing a Tory leadership campaign he was favourite to win in 2005 by running a naff campaign epitomised by a picture with two women wearing tight T-shirts saying: “It’s DD for me.” Having worked at the House of Commons and as a lawyer,I might be reasonably placed to venture the opinion (just an opinion)that the Bar is every bit as tough and mucky a cesspit for "operators" to succeed in as parliament. Any meaningful resemblance between Rumpole (set 30 plus years ago anyway)and day to day litigation lawyer life exists IMHO only in the minds of those who engage in fantasy based on reading novels and/or watching TV. Have you ever actually worked as/at either? Edited by legaleagle (30 May 2017 10.43pm)
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30 May 17 10.23pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels.

This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances.

Why have you got such a boner for Kier?

I suspect the more pertinent question might be,are you actually aware you have no idea what you are talking about? The Bar is a tried and tested preparation for good politicians.For example,22% of Conservative MP's have a legal background. Plus Starmer has been DPP and head of the CPS,a distinctly ungenteel job.

I suspect he would in fact take your boy Mr D to pieces in a brain and nous not bluster and brawn contest that wouldn't go the distance..

That's the same DD who showed his political talents by losing a Tory leadership campaign he was favourite to win in 2005 by running a naff campaign epitomised by a picture with two women wearing tight T-shirts saying: “It’s DD for me.”

Having worked at the House of Commons and as a lawyer,I might be reasonably placed to venture the opinion (just an opinion)that the Bar is every bit as tough and mucky a cesspit for "operators" to succeed in as parliament. Any meaningful resemblance between Rumpole (set 30 plus years ago anyway)and day to day litigation lawyer life exists IMHO only in the minds of those who engage in fantasy based on reading novels and/or watching TV.

Have you ever actually worked as/at either?

Edited by legaleagle (30 May 2017 10.43pm)

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serial thriller The Promised Land 30 May 17 10.40pm
Obviously we shouldn't read too much in to these things but... A Yougov poll now has the Tories failing to get a majority. Hard to imagine anyone would jump in to bed with them on the manifesto they've got, so... Corbyn 4 No.10? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 30 May 17 10.40pm

Obviously we shouldn't read too much in to these things but...

A Yougov poll now has the Tories failing to get a majority. Hard to imagine anyone would jump in to bed with them on the manifesto they've got, so...

Corbyn 4 No.10?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Mapletree Croydon 30 May 17 10.54pm
Is it me or is Jezza coming across a bit less barmy recently? I predict a big turnout and much tactical voting. Would serve Terehhsa right if her nipping out for a cheeky snap election backfired Edited by Mapletree (30 May 2017 10.55pm)
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Croydon 30 May 17 10.54pm

Is it me or is Jezza coming across a bit less barmy recently? I predict a big turnout and much tactical voting. Would serve Terehhsa right if her nipping out for a cheeky snap election backfired

Edited by Mapletree (30 May 2017 10.55pm)

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legaleagle 30 May 17 11.05pm
Its almost like the whole election is following a standard mid-term by-election pattern. I think his team are running a good campaign and he's in his element campaigning setting more of his own agenda ,and where election law requires an equal platform on TV neutralising an incumbent government's usual advantage....and people are perhaps realising that for all his faults its a bit naff that he gets monstered so regularly by much of the press whereas the singularly uninspiring Mrs May, who has at least as many faults if not many more, doesn't. Also,the Tories strategy of making it a Brexit election hasn't worked. Brexit ain't an issue for many now since they take it as a given.To the extent many (non fundamentalists) want it,they don't necessarily want a hard Brexit, Expect Lynton Crosby to get seriously down and dirty in the next 9 days.
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30 May 17 11.05pm

Its almost like the whole election is following a standard mid-term by-election pattern.

I think his team are running a good campaign and he's in his element campaigning setting more of his own agenda ,and where election law requires an equal platform on TV neutralising an incumbent government's usual advantage....and people are perhaps realising that for all his faults its a bit naff that he gets monstered so regularly by much of the press whereas the singularly uninspiring Mrs May, who has at least as many faults if not many more, doesn't.

Also,the Tories strategy of making it a Brexit election hasn't worked. Brexit ain't an issue for many now since they take it as a given.To the extent many (non fundamentalists) want it,they don't necessarily want a hard Brexit,

Expect Lynton Crosby to get seriously down and dirty in the next 9 days.

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