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matt_himself Flag Matataland 20 Apr 15 8.40pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 20 Apr 2015 8.28pm

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Quote nickgusset at 20 Apr 2015 7.18pm

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Interesting article on what leaving the EU could mean and how Tories covered up several pro EU reports.


As you are taking this thread off track by talking about parties other than UKIP, remind me, what did 'credible' TUSC start life as?

Clue: was it as a group called 'yes2eu' or 'no2eu'?

I thought it would add to the debate as ukip are anti eu.
If I'm not mistaken, you've mentioned the greens and TUSC on more than one occasion in this thread, so one could ask the same of you.
As someone who wants out of the eu, what did you make of the article?

It's in the Guardian and its election time. Therefore it is probably distorted.

Believe little in the press at this time.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 15 8.49pm

Quote matt_himself at 20 Apr 2015 8.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Apr 2015 8.28pm

Quote matt_himself at 20 Apr 2015 8.04pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Apr 2015 7.18pm

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Interesting article on what leaving the EU could mean and how Tories covered up several pro EU reports.


As you are taking this thread off track by talking about parties other than UKIP, remind me, what did 'credible' TUSC start life as?

Clue: was it as a group called 'yes2eu' or 'no2eu'?

I thought it would add to the debate as ukip are anti eu.
If I'm not mistaken, you've mentioned the greens and TUSC on more than one occasion in this thread, so one could ask the same of you.
As someone who wants out of the eu, what did you make of the article?

It's in the Guardian and its election time. Therefore it is probably distorted.

Believe little in the press at this time.

Lots of direct quotes in the article could suggest otherwise.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 15 8.53pm

Quote matt_himself at 20 Apr 2015 8.04pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Apr 2015 7.18pm

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Interesting article on what leaving the EU could mean and how Tories covered up several pro EU reports.


As you are taking this thread off track by talking about parties other than UKIP, remind me, what did 'credible' TUSC start life as?

Clue: was it as a group called 'yes2eu' or 'no2eu'?


No2eu want(ed) out of the eu for different reasons to UKIP, feeling that the eu were imposing austerity measures, promoting the sell off of public assets and eroding the rights of ordinary' shopfloor' workers.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 Apr 15 5.12am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 20 Apr 2015 8.53pm

Quote matt_himself at 20 Apr 2015 8.04pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Apr 2015 7.18pm

[Link]

Interesting article on what leaving the EU could mean and how Tories covered up several pro EU reports.


As you are taking this thread off track by talking about parties other than UKIP, remind me, what did 'credible' TUSC start life as?

Clue: was it as a group called 'yes2eu' or 'no2eu'?


No2eu want(ed) out of the eu for different reasons to UKIP, feeling that the eu were imposing austerity measures, promoting the sell off of public assets and eroding the rights of ordinary' shopfloor' workers.


They started off as a single issue anti EU party.

This is contrary to the pro EU stuff you have posting on here against UKIP, the stuff that states what an economic disaster it would be if there was a Brexit.

The TUSC manifesto makes reference to Britain not being part of a 'militarist United States of Europe'.

Therefore, have you changed your mind on 'credible' TUSC given your recent found love of the EU? Do you lump them in with UKIP as being 'bonkers' for wishing to leave the EU and all its economic benefits?

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Apr 15 7.02am

Quote matt_himself at 21 Apr 2015 5.12am

Quote nickgusset at 20 Apr 2015 8.53pm

Quote matt_himself at 20 Apr 2015 8.04pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Apr 2015 7.18pm

[Link]

Interesting article on what leaving the EU could mean and how Tories covered up several pro EU reports.


As you are taking this thread off track by talking about parties other than UKIP, remind me, what did 'credible' TUSC start life as?

Clue: was it as a group called 'yes2eu' or 'no2eu'?


No2eu want(ed) out of the eu for different reasons to UKIP, feeling that the eu were imposing austerity measures, promoting the sell off of public assets and eroding the rights of ordinary' shopfloor' workers.


They started off as a single issue anti EU party.

This is contrary to the pro EU stuff you have posting on here against UKIP, the stuff that states what an economic disaster it would be if there was a Brexit.

The TUSC manifesto makes reference to Britain not being part of a 'militarist United States of Europe'.

Therefore, have you changed your mind on 'credible' TUSC given your recent found love of the EU? Do you lump them in with UKIP as being 'bonkers' for wishing to leave the EU and all its economic benefits?


Didn't say I loved the eu. Just posted the link to add to the debate. As it is, ukip would be more pro austerity and more anti union than the eu.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Apr 15 6.03pm

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Another example of UKIP's sort.

 

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legaleagle Flag 21 Apr 15 10.26pm

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Another example of UKIP's sort.


A real charmer.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 22 Apr 15 8.22pm

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Hmm. Do they really have a clue?


Nuclear is sustainable energy.


NO..NO..NO.

Forgetting the pollution aspects and the pure expense.

Life span at CURRENT usage is 200 years, imagine how long that would last if were to replace coal and oil just in Western Europe.

Too make it anyway useful you would need to develop / invent fast breeder tech or learn to extract uranium from sea water. But you may as well burn money if possible at all.

Due to a lack of response, I assume that this has now been accepted as barefaced UKIP lies.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 23 Apr 15 8.21pm

Last night Farage said it was 'natural' for people to favour immigration from India and Australia over that from former Communist countries.

Assuming that he was talking just for himself on this matter, what's 'natural' about it? Which bit of 'nature' does it come from? Or has he confused 'natural' with 'political opportunist' or 'culturally loaded' or 'bulls***-ish'? I understand 'natural' to be pretty well restricted to matters unaffected by human interaction….and given that everything we know, we know through our own consciousness and by and large have to express/interpret or mediate wholly or partly through language then even our way of knowing what is 'natural' is 'unnatural'.

I'm sure Farage thinks deeply about such things.

 

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legaleagle Flag 23 Apr 15 10.50pm

Interesting.No doubt he thought deeply about it and his own stated "slight preference" for such immigrants,and remembered having previously presumably thought deeply before suggesting muslim immigrants are a particular potential problem, particularly given that it has been estimated there are 176 million muslims living in India,it's estimated to be home to 10% of the world's muslim population and it has been suggested has more muslims living there than in any other country in the world except pakistan and Indonesia.

"There is an especial problem with some of the people who’ve come here and who are of the Muslim religion who don’t want to become part of our culture. So there is no previous experience, in our history, of a migrant group that comes to Britain, that fundamentally wants to change who we are and what we are. That is, I think, above everything else, what people are really concerned about.”

So,presumably the UKIP immigration points system won't be anything like the Australian one and would be skewed against certain nationalities such as former Eastern Bloc countries and weighted in favour of countries such as India?

Very consistent and well thought through,Nige and very reassuring to see UKIP are only concerned as to numbers and are not tainted by any hint of prejudice towards certain specific groups (with the target of the prejudice appearing open to variation at the drop of a hat;sorry,meant drop of a potential vote).

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 15 7.01pm

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A great read

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Apr 15 7.37pm

how some anti ukip protesters (a man and disabled girl) were treated by some idiots in Broadstairs.
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Unnaceptable

 

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