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 Spiderman  Horsham 17 Apr 20 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Can you imagine what a certain political demographic would be saying if this virus had emerged from the US and that Trump had taken the same decisions as the CCP? Yes I can. I have previously said that China had attempted to conceal exact details of the virus. Whether the WHO should have accepted the Chinese Government’s word is open to debate. IMO they were wrong but you really should be able to trust a Government over something so serious but obviously China cannot be trusted
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Apr 20 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Yes I can. I have previously said that China had attempted to conceal exact details of the virus. Whether the WHO should have accepted the Chinese Government’s word is open to debate. IMO they were wrong but you really should be able to trust a Government over something so serious but obviously China cannot be trusted A month ago a spokesman from the Chinese Foreign Ministry suggested that the US military might have been responsible for the outbreak! My views on China and the Director General of the WHO are well known to my dear wife who has expressed the view that I have resembled a gramophone record stuck firmly in the groove. I shall spare HOL my 'Soapbox'! Edited by Willo (17 Apr 2020 1.43pm)
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| Stirlingsays 17 Apr 20 2.03pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Yes I can. I have previously said that China had attempted to conceal exact details of the virus. Whether the WHO should have accepted the Chinese Government’s word is open to debate. IMO they were wrong but you really should be able to trust a Government over something so serious but obviously China cannot be trusted Yep, for the CCP it often appears like they are using Sun Tzu's book as an operating manual. Then again, China are quite open about their intentions if you look....it isn't cuddly....Especially now Xi Jinping is the leader for life. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 2.07pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, SARS, bird flu, Covid, etc all having the same origin suggests it hasn’t been “ handled correctly” in the past. What will be different this time? For the sake of argument let's assume that what you suggest is correct, that China delayed reporting there could be person to person transmission and that the WHO also failed in their duty and need to be overhauled to ensure that they remain fit for purpose. My argument is not about any of those things. It's only about timing. Right now, in my view, we ought not be thinking about yesterday or tomorrow. We need only to be dealing with today. We all, whether we have failed in the past or not, need to be in the same team and pulling together. Politicising a crisis like this for personal gain is a disgrace. If past lessons weren't learned then we had better scold ourselves for not learning them. But now isn't the time to do that either. There will be amble time for reflection and recalibration when this is all over. However, the danger that another virus could emerge is clearly a possibility. With heightened awareness we are though likely to be ultra cautious in the coming months.
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 17 Apr 20 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, SARS, bird flu, Covid, etc all having the same origin suggests it hasn’t been “ handled correctly” in the past. What will be different this time? Wasn't football hooliganism labelled "The English Disease"? I remember that led to severe travel restrictions for a long time. Certainly stopped Palace fans travelling to Europe when we could have done.
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cryrst  The garden of England 17 Apr 20 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
For the sake of argument let's assume that what you suggest is correct, that China delayed reporting there could be person to person transmission and that the WHO also failed in their duty and need to be overhauled to ensure that they remain fit for purpose. My argument is not about any of those things. It's only about timing. Right now, in my view, we ought not be thinking about yesterday or tomorrow. We need only to be dealing with today. We all, whether we have failed in the past or not, need to be in the same team and pulling together. Politicising a crisis like this for personal gain is a disgrace. If past lessons weren't learned then we had better scold ourselves for not learning them. But now isn't the time to do that either. There will be amble time for reflection and recalibration when this is all over. However, the danger that another virus could emerge is clearly a possibility. With heightened awareness we are though likely to be ultra cautious in the coming months. Has trumps politicised it by stopping the USA donation to the WHO. Or has he decided that he isnt getting enough bang for his buck. So hes holding onto his buck. It isnt always a political move if it's a moral decision.
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Teddy Eagle  17 Apr 20 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
For the sake of argument let's assume that what you suggest is correct, that China delayed reporting there could be person to person transmission and that the WHO also failed in their duty and need to be overhauled to ensure that they remain fit for purpose. My argument is not about any of those things. It's only about timing. Right now, in my view, we ought not be thinking about yesterday or tomorrow. We need only to be dealing with today. We all, whether we have failed in the past or not, need to be in the same team and pulling together. Politicising a crisis like this for personal gain is a disgrace. If past lessons weren't learned then we had better scold ourselves for not learning them. But now isn't the time to do that either. There will be amble time for reflection and recalibration when this is all over. However, the danger that another virus could emerge is clearly a possibility. With heightened awareness we are though likely to be ultra cautious in the coming months. This is at least the fifth time a virus has come from China in the past 63 years killing unknown millions in the process and yet we need to scold ourselves?
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| Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 20 2.52pm |
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Originally posted by mezzer
Wasn't football hooliganism labelled "The English Disease"? I remember that led to severe travel restrictions for a long time. Certainly stopped Palace fans travelling to Europe when we could have done. Yes it was and probably with good cause. There were also justifiable complaints from shopkeepers across Europe who had to deal with all the fraud carried out on stolen bank and credit cards. Liverpool was an employment black hole in the 80’s but their fans could afford to travel all over Europe? Yeah. Right.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This is at least the fifth time a virus has come from China in the past 63 years killing unknown millions in the process and yet we need to scold ourselves? If that's true and we knew about it and failed to do something about it then that mistake is ours. Which is why we need to scold ourselves. Trump saying so now, for the reasons he is, is indeed politicking. Having suspicions is fine. Being extra cautious as a consequence is too. Deliberately lighting international fires to divert attention from criticism of yourself, so as to keep your base "onside" in an election year is not. Dragging the WHO into it and defunding them is really stupid when their whole attention needs to be focussed on dealing with the crisis. Maybe the USA can cope alone but many other countries cannot. Trump is costing lives. What benefit to others do his pronouncements and actions have?
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| Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 20 3.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If that's true and we knew about it and failed to do something about it then that mistake is ours. Which is why we need to scold ourselves. Trump saying so now, for the reasons he is, is indeed politicking. Having suspicions is fine. Being extra cautious as a consequence is too. Deliberately lighting international fires to divert attention from criticism of yourself, so as to keep your base "onside" in an election year is not. Dragging the WHO into it and defunding them is really stupid when their whole attention needs to be focussed on dealing with the crisis. Maybe the USA can cope alone but many other countries cannot. Trump is costing lives. What benefit to others do his pronouncements and actions have? Yes it’s true and is easily verifiable. The entire world is facing an economic crisis but Trump is the bad guy for stating a fact.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Has trumps politicised it by stopping the USA donation to the WHO. Or has he decided that he isnt getting enough bang for his buck. So hes holding onto his buck. It isnt always a political move if it's a moral decision. Morality and Trump ought never be used in the same context. He does nothing for moral reasons. Only ever for selfish or financial reasons. The time to decide he "isn't getting enough bang for his buck" is after this is all over. If anyone has concerns about the performance of the WHO I am quite sure that mechanisms exist for review and improvement. Taking arbitrary decisions, without consultation, on issues which require international cooperation has regrettably been Trump's modus operandi since becoming the POTUS. He always does it as a sop to his base and not for genuine, science based reasons. Never though has it been quite so stupid as this time. People will die as a consequence.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Yes it’s true and is easily verifiable. The entire world is facing an economic crisis but Trump is the bad guy for stating a fact. The whole truth, and why it's the whole truth, won't be known until this is all over. Right now we only know what we think is the truth. Verification cannot be done yet, so who-ever you think is verifying it is actually just offering an opinion of what the truth might be. Even if it WAS the truth Trump still ought not be using it as a political football designed to draw the eyes of his support base off his own failings. Real Presidents lead and protect. They don't campaign in the middle of a pandemic.
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