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 Rubin  25 Jun 16 11.05am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I still predict that, despite all the menacing words from Brussels (and I understand why they are saying what they are saying), a deal will be offered to Britain by he EU and we will have another referendum in a year or so to ratify that deal. There is too much at stake for many of the players in this to allow Brexit and contagion to happen. This is completely unprecedented territory. Yes Greenland left he EU in the eighties but there is a World of difference between that and this situation. I still view this as a massive protest vote. The devil will be in the detail and the strength of the negotiating team. I really hope you're wrong. I don't want to remain in the EU in any form. Even if they offered the world and we stayed in, all the benefits there given us would be gradually taken back. Is staying in with big differences in our desk would go against the long term plan of the EU, and other countries would push for the same terms that we'd received which would cause problems. I really do hope that Junker was telling the truth when he said there'd be no negotiations, and that they're gambling on it carrying on being a successful project without us. If that's the case, I wish them all the luck in the world, but again, I think we'll look at the state of it in a decade and be relieved that we left.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jun 16 11.06am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Nope. Well I'm prepared to forgive the young for being a little emotional, but not rude.
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Percy of Peckham  Eton Mess 25 Jun 16 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Next you will tell us that you are going to write a musical about it. Would make a fabulous show ...have we worked out the finale yet?
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| Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 25 Jun 16 11.08am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nope. Well I'm prepared to forgive the young for being a little emotional, but not rude. I say we should bring back the cane!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 11.10am |
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An excellent read as always. It will take time for the disappointment that those who voted remain to disappear. Shame on those who have not been magnanimous in victory. But the remainers will come to terms with the result. The vote to exit was, IMHO, a protest vote against the political state we are in. Quite rightly people feel Westminster is out of touch with Joe Public despite politicians assertions that they are not.
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| snytaxx London 25 Jun 16 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You have opened Pandora's Box but you are a glass three quarter full man. Everything is going to be rosy. Unfortunately, for places like Northern Ireland where the EU has helped significantly in forcing the peace and Cornwall and Wales who have had billions in EU help and for those whose jobs go and bills rise until we get to the 'promised land' five years hence it won't necessarily feel like Brexit was a positive. I really think you need more faith in humanity. Northern Ireland is a very interesting example with some unionists backing remain (UUP) and other backing leave (DUP). I spoke in depth with a friend who lives literally two minutes from the border (he is a nationalist). He told me he was of course worried about the idea of a hard border and that he wanted to live in an EU country. I put the following to him and I put to you however: - Lets say Sinn Fein break cover and demand a referendum on a united Ireland. Would they have the backing from the rest of the people in NI? Lets say they did (right now) have that backing, However they probably wouldn't be able to legally force a referendum until about 2020 at the earliest due to the terms of the Belfast agreement. By then Brexit should be showing real economic promise and you have to take into account other factors which we might not know of right now. If SF lost said referendum, they have then blown any chances of a united Ireland away for many decades. Something tells me they wont actually try and force one until they know they are dead certain to win it. Still lets see - The other thing to note regarding the border is this. I don't know anyone in the Leave campaign who wanted a hard border with the ROI. Not even the pro leave NI minister wants that. This doesn't mean the Republic won't put up border control on their side, but how will that go down with the local nationalists? Something tells me there will be a whole lot of bluster but no actual change. At least not until Brexit is achieved.
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 11.14am |
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Originally posted by Rubin
I really hope you're wrong. I don't want to remain in the EU in any form. Even if they offered the world and we stayed in, all the benefits there given us would be gradually taken back. Is staying in with big differences in our desk would go against the long term plan of the EU, and other countries would push for the same terms that we'd received which would cause problems. I really do hope that Junker was telling the truth when he said there'd be no negotiations, and that they're gambling on it carrying on being a successful project without us. If that's the case, I wish them all the luck in the world, but again, I think we'll look at the state of it in a decade and be relieved that we left. I wrote the original as a Brexiter and UKIP voter of many years. I just don't believe the EU can allow itself to collapse. There are pro exit rumblings in many countries and contagion is a real possibility.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| snytaxx London 25 Jun 16 11.17am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
An excellent read as always. It will take time for the disappointment that those who voted remain to disappear. Shame on those who have not been magnanimous in victory. But the remainers will come to terms with the result. The vote to exit was, IMHO, a protest vote against the political state we are in. Quite rightly people feel Westminster is out of touch with Joe Public despite politicians assertions that they are not. I think this is good news for the left actually. Depending on who the next PM is (Boris perhaps), the traditional labour voters who came out for leave will probably desert UKIP and vote Labour again (also depending on who is in charge). The key thing will be is whether or not Labour honour vote leaves referendum pledges i.e. the Australian style points system which UKIP kept harping on about. As long as parties honour a reformed style of immigration, I imagine this will mean that UKIP begins to slip by the wayside as what will they be able to put in their manifesto once you take out the BREXIT and the immigrations stuff?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jun 16 11.19am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I wrote the original as a Brexiter and UKIP voter of many years. I just don't believe the EU can allow itself to collapse. There are pro exit rumblings in many countries and contagion is a real possibility. The dastardly EU are telling the UK to get on with invoking 'Article 50' instead of waiting for October.Doesn't sound like they are even contemplating a new deal.In any event they couldn't offer a deal with NO free movement of Labour !
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| snytaxx London 25 Jun 16 11.22am |
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Originally posted by Willo
The dastardly EU are telling the UK to get on with invoking 'Article 50' instead of waiting for October.Doesn't sound like they are even contemplating a new deal.In any event they couldn't offer a deal with NO free movement of Labour ! I almost feel that we shouldn't leave now. Just as one last epic troll to Brussels. I kid of course.
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Willo
The dastardly EU are telling the UK to get on with invoking 'Article 50' instead of waiting for October.Doesn't sound like they are even contemplating a new deal.In any event they couldn't offer a deal with NO free movement of Labour ! It's all part of the game. Mark my words, this is far from over.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 16 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You have opened Pandora's Box but you are a glass three quarter full man. Everything is going to be rosy. Unfortunately, for places like Northern Ireland where the EU has helped significantly in forcing the peace and Cornwall and Wales who have had billions in EU help and for those whose jobs go and bills rise until we get to the 'promised land' five years hence it won't necessarily feel like Brexit was a positive. I now live in Cornwall and I cannot believe some of the attitudes I hear here. They have voted leave by a big margin and just seem to think that the EU funding they have had doesn't matter. The response I get everywhere is "Don't worry, it will be OK". It won't be OK, unless something is done. I have given up trying to debate with the leavers. Now is not the time to bang my head against the doors of the stupid. Enough of them will come to their senses pretty soon and wish they had voted remain. There will always be a hard core of UKIP types, because, along with the poor, the stupid will always be among us, but they need to be marginalised, rather than engaged. They are beyond reason. Now is the time to galvanise our politicians and ensure they do their duty. This was not a decisive vote. Now people can see that the forecasted impact was all true, and that the leave campaign was built on lies, if we held another referendum I am 100% sure the result would now be very different. If the Scots can get a second referendum as a consequence of this then so can we! It will require our politicians to grow balls and accept the break up of the current parties, but that is also a very desirable outcome. That is where my attention is now focussed. That is where a difference can be made. The right wing nasties need to be cast off and the UK truly reclaimed. For all those middle of the road, normally silent, peace loving people, who are neither left nor right but just ordinary decent people. Maybe the Norwegian option can be invoked?
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