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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.08pm
Originally posted by elgrande Well why is it was wrong to ask firms the ethnic origins of their workforce,(fill out any format nowadays and you have to tick a box. If there were not so many immigrants to take the jobs then maybe just maybe the companies would have to pay the going rates. And for him to say the tories are making promises on immigration that they can't deliver. Corbyn has said he would have a total open door policy. How's that Mr gristle. Soft fascism rules UK.
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Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.08pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Well why is it was wrong to ask firms the ethnic origins of their workforce,(fill out any format nowadays and you have to tick a box.
If there were not so many immigrants to take the jobs then maybe just maybe the companies would have to pay the going rates.
And for him to say the tories are making promises on immigration that they can't deliver.
Corbyn has said he would have a total open door policy.
How's that Mr gristle.

Soft fascism rules UK.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.09pm
Double post Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 6.09pm)
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Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.09pm

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elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 6.09pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Do like Corbyns reply and suggestions. To me the increase in 'hate crime' is a result of the Brexit leave campaign by it has arisen since then. We are a nastier country now IMO. now that I don't agree with any sort of hate crime.but I would like to see some sort of solid (unbiased) figures on that always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 05 Oct 16 6.09pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Do like Corbyns reply and suggestions.

To me the increase in 'hate crime' is a result of the Brexit leave campaign by it has arisen since then.

We are a nastier country now IMO.

now that I don't agree with any sort of hate crime.but I would like to see some sort of solid (unbiased) figures on that

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 05 Oct 16 6.10pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Oh the old politics of envy chestnut. Usually used by those who agree with those who support those that engage in the politics of greed. Usually? maybe but not always and doesn't mean it isn't true. Corbyn has done nothing (so far) to assure reasonably comfortable people that they will not be hit hard if he comes to power. particularity those who are asset rich through chance. i.e. those who have bought their own house in the S East the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 05 Oct 16 6.10pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh the old politics of envy chestnut.

Usually used by those who agree with those who support those that engage in the politics of greed.

Usually? maybe but not always and doesn't mean it isn't true.

Corbyn has done nothing (so far) to assure reasonably comfortable people that they will not be hit hard if he comes to power. particularity those who are asset rich through chance. i.e. those who have bought their own house in the S East

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.10pm
Originally posted by elgrande What's your point to nick,I have given my opion as has you. See my edit above.
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Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.10pm

Originally posted by elgrande

What's your point to nick,I have given my opion as has you.

See my edit above.

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elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 6.11pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Soft fascism rules UK. Why is it fascism...name calling again always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 05 Oct 16 6.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Soft fascism rules UK.

Why is it fascism...name calling again

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.14pm
Originally posted by elgrande Well why is it was wrong to ask firms the ethnic origins of their workforce,(fill out any format nowadays and you have to tick a box. If there were not so many immigrants to take the jobs then maybe just maybe the companies would have to pay the going rates. And for him to say the tories are making promises on immigration that they can't deliver. Corbyn has said he would have a total open door policy. How's that Mr gristle. [Link] James (O' Brien) read a portion of the book, written by Adolf Hitler, saying it was actually a part of the Home Secretary's speech. Speaking on his LBC show, he said: "I want to read you something from Amber Rudd's speech yesterday. 'For the state must draw a sharp line of distinction between those who, as members of the nation, are the foundation and support of its existence and greatness, and those who are domiciled in the state, simply as earners of their livelihood there.' "Very important that firms declare how much of their workforce is foreign because they're just domiciled in this state simply as earners of their livelihood there. They're not members of the nation, they're not members of the foundation and the support of the nation's existence and greatness. You have to have a sharp line of distinction between those who are members of the nation and those who are just domiciled here as earners of their livelihoods. "No, that wasn't from Amber Rudd's speech yesterday, I'm really sorry, that's from Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler. "A sharp line of distinction between those who as members of the nation are the foundation and support of its existence and those who are domiciled in the state simply as earners of their livelihood here. Do you recognise that need for a sharp distinction? Do you feel it? Do you applaud that today? "Do you cheer it because you've heard some meaningless anecdote about plasterer whose wages have gone up by roughly the same percentage over the last ten or fifteen years that almost everybody else in the British workforce has? You see the need for that sharp line of distinction? Are you going to swallow that today? "A sharp line of distinction between those who are the foundation and support of the nation's existence and greatness. And those, like almost everybody I've encountered so far today, who were just domiciled in the states simply as earners of their livelihood here. What do you think will come next? "If you're going to have a sharp line of distinction between people born here and people who just work here, you're enacting chapter two of Mein Kempf. Strange times."
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.14pm

Originally posted by elgrande

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James (O' Brien) read a portion of the book, written by Adolf Hitler, saying it was actually a part of the Home Secretary's speech.

Speaking on his LBC show, he said: "I want to read you something from Amber Rudd's speech yesterday. 'For the state must draw a sharp line of distinction between those who, as members of the nation, are the foundation and support of its existence and greatness, and those who are domiciled in the state, simply as earners of their livelihood there.'

"Very important that firms declare how much of their workforce is foreign because they're just domiciled in this state simply as earners of their livelihood there. They're not members of the nation, they're not members of the foundation and the support of the nation's existence and greatness.

You have to have a sharp line of distinction between those who are members of the nation and those who are just domiciled here as earners of their livelihoods.

"No, that wasn't from Amber Rudd's speech yesterday, I'm really sorry, that's from Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler.

"A sharp line of distinction between those who as members of the nation are the foundation and support of its existence and those who are domiciled in the state simply as earners of their livelihood here. Do you recognise that need for a sharp distinction? Do you feel it? Do you applaud that today?

"Do you cheer it because you've heard some meaningless anecdote about plasterer whose wages have gone up by roughly the same percentage over the last ten or fifteen years that almost everybody else in the British workforce has? You see the need for that sharp line of distinction? Are you going to swallow that today?

"A sharp line of distinction between those who are the foundation and support of the nation's existence and greatness. And those, like almost everybody I've encountered so far today, who were just domiciled in the states simply as earners of their livelihood here. What do you think will come next?

"If you're going to have a sharp line of distinction between people born here and people who just work here, you're enacting chapter two of Mein Kempf. Strange times."

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elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 6.21pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] James (O' Brien) read a portion of the book, written by Adolf Hitler, saying it was actually a part of the Home Secretary's speech. Speaking on his LBC show, he said: "I want to read you something from Amber Rudd's speech yesterday. 'For the state must draw a sharp line of distinction between those who, as members of the nation, are the foundation and support of its existence and greatness, and those who are domiciled in the state, simply as earners of their livelihood there.' "Very important that firms declare how much of their workforce is foreign because they're just domiciled in this state simply as earners of their livelihood there. They're not members of the nation, they're not members of the foundation and the support of the nation's existence and greatness. You have to have a sharp line of distinction between those who are members of the nation and those who are just domiciled here as earners of their livelihoods. "No, that wasn't from Amber Rudd's speech yesterday, I'm really sorry, that's from Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler. "A sharp line of distinction between those who as members of the nation are the foundation and support of its existence and those who are domiciled in the state simply as earners of their livelihood here. Do you recognise that need for a sharp distinction? Do you feel it? Do you applaud that today? "Do you cheer it because you've heard some meaningless anecdote about plasterer whose wages have gone up by roughly the same percentage over the last ten or fifteen years that almost everybody else in the British workforce has? You see the need for that sharp line of distinction? Are you going to swallow that today? "A sharp line of distinction between those who are the foundation and support of the nation's existence and greatness. And those, like almost everybody I've encountered so far today, who were just domiciled in the states simply as earners of their livelihood here. What do you think will come next? "If you're going to have a sharp line of distinction between people born here and people who just work here, you're enacting chapter two of Mein Kempf. Strange times." Great another link from a renowned lefty. Also answer me then nick. Why is it that when we fill out forms from lots of different sources do we have box which say (which of these describe your ethnic background). Is that racist or do I shout fascist everything I fill one out.what's the difference. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 05 Oct 16 6.21pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

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James (O' Brien) read a portion of the book, written by Adolf Hitler, saying it was actually a part of the Home Secretary's speech.

"If you're going to have a sharp line of distinction between people born here and people who just work here, you're enacting chapter two of Mein Kempf. Strange times."

Great another link from a renowned lefty.
Also answer me then nick.
Why is it that when we fill out forms from lots of different sources do we have box which say (which of these describe your ethnic background). Is that racist or do I shout fascist everything I fill one out.what's the difference.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.27pm
Lets look at Corbyn's press release again to give you a chance to tell us what is wrong with it. “Drawing up lists of foreign workers won’t stop unscrupulous employers undercutting wages in Britain. Shutting the door to international students won’t pay young people’s tuition fee debts, and ditching doctors from abroad won’t cut NHS waiting lists." Well you've already intimated it's foreigners coming here that are at fault for exploitative employers. Will stopping international students help people towards uni fees, or could it possibly drive up course costs as there will be less income for the universities. Do you not think that stopping foreign students attending may have a negative effect on british university's highly held esteem abroad? Will removing foreign doctors help waiting lists? Doesn't matter the bloke who wrote this is scruffy and despite spending years and years campaigning he just wants to be part of the elite. “The Conservatives will instead foster division and discrimination in our workplaces and communities. “Once again, they are making false promises on immigration they can’t deliver. Instead of turning people against each other, ministers should take action now to deal with the real impact of migration." Is all the rhetoric about ridding us of foreigners not a form of fascism? Isn't it leading us towards an us and them No dogs, no blacks no irish attitude (Funny it's this sort of attitude that is a 70's throwback- yet Corbyn is labelled thus) Doesn't the drip drip news of 'it's all foreigners fault' lead to a rise of hate crime against non Brits? Soft fascism again. False promises about reducing immigration - exactly like Cameron said he wanted to do but immigration figures went up. Nope because the bloke who wrote it is a 70's throwback. “They should stop the abuse of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions, which would reduce numbers" see above. “They should support communities with high levels of migration and they should set out a positive agenda for fair migration rules as part of the Brexit negotiations for a new relationship with the European Union.” You don't think areas with high levels of immigration should be supported just because the papers all say he is unelectable when really they are s*** scared he might upset the status quo?
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Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.27pm

Lets look at Corbyn's press release again to give you a chance to tell us what is wrong with it.

“Drawing up lists of foreign workers won’t stop unscrupulous employers undercutting wages in Britain. Shutting the door to international students won’t pay young people’s tuition fee debts, and ditching doctors from abroad won’t cut NHS waiting lists."

Well you've already intimated it's foreigners coming here that are at fault for exploitative employers.

Will stopping international students help people towards uni fees, or could it possibly drive up course costs as there will be less income for the universities. Do you not think that stopping foreign students attending may have a negative effect on british university's highly held esteem abroad?

Will removing foreign doctors help waiting lists?

Doesn't matter the bloke who wrote this is scruffy and despite spending years and years campaigning he just wants to be part of the elite.

“The Conservatives will instead foster division and discrimination in our workplaces and communities.

“Once again, they are making false promises on immigration they can’t deliver. Instead of turning people against each other, ministers should take action now to deal with the real impact of migration."

Is all the rhetoric about ridding us of foreigners not a form of fascism? Isn't it leading us towards an us and them No dogs, no blacks no irish attitude (Funny it's this sort of attitude that is a 70's throwback- yet Corbyn is labelled thus) Doesn't the drip drip news of 'it's all foreigners fault' lead to a rise of hate crime against non Brits? Soft fascism again.

False promises about reducing immigration - exactly like Cameron said he wanted to do but immigration figures went up.

Nope because the bloke who wrote it is a 70's throwback.

“They should stop the abuse of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions, which would reduce numbers"

see above.

“They should support communities with high levels of migration and they should set out a positive agenda for fair migration rules as part of the Brexit negotiations for a new relationship with the European Union.”

You don't think areas with high levels of immigration should be supported just because the papers all say he is unelectable when really they are s*** scared he might upset the status quo?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.30pm
Originally posted by elgrande Great another link from a renowned lefty. Also answer me then nick. Why is it that when we fill out forms from lots of different sources do we have box which say (which of these describe your ethnic background). Is that racist or do I shout fascist everything I fill one out.what's the difference. Funny that someone offering a riposte to something right wing happens to be left wing so is derided for it. Or would you rather not have different viewpoints aired. Funny, because when the different view might have a point, you resort to name calling rather than saying 'I disagree because...'
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Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.30pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Great another link from a renowned lefty.
Also answer me then nick.
Why is it that when we fill out forms from lots of different sources do we have box which say (which of these describe your ethnic background). Is that racist or do I shout fascist everything I fill one out.what's the difference.

Funny that someone offering a riposte to something right wing happens to be left wing so is derided for it. Or would you rather not have different viewpoints aired.
Funny, because when the different view might have a point, you resort to name calling rather than saying 'I disagree because...'

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.38pm
Originally posted by elgrande Why is it that when we fill out forms from lots of different sources do we have box which say (which of these describe your ethnic background). Is that racist or do I shout fascist everything I fill one out.what's the difference. From an NUT application form... NATIONAL UNION OF TEACHERS EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES EMPLOYMENT MONITORING FORM It is the NUT’s policy to employ the best qualified person for the job advertised and to provide equality of opportunity to all. In order that we can monitor the effectiveness of our Equal Opportunities Employment Policy and to ensure that we meet our obligations please would you complete the details requested below. This sheet will be detached from your application form as soon as we receive it. The information you supply will be used only for monitoring purposes and will remain strictly confidential and is not a requirement of application. Thank you for taking the time to complete this form. Now to me, looking at this, equal opps questionnaires are for monitoring purposes, confidential and not compulsory. A whole world away from (to my mind anyway) the Tory's plan for weeding out foreigners. Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 6.40pm)
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Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 6.38pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Why is it that when we fill out forms from lots of different sources do we have box which say (which of these describe your ethnic background). Is that racist or do I shout fascist everything I fill one out.what's the difference.

From an NUT application form...

NATIONAL UNION OF TEACHERS
EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES EMPLOYMENT MONITORING FORM

It is the NUT’s policy to employ the best qualified person for the job advertised and to provide equality of opportunity to all. In order that we can monitor the effectiveness of our Equal Opportunities Employment Policy and to ensure that we meet our obligations please would you complete the details requested below.

This sheet will be detached from your application form as soon as we receive it.

The information you supply will be used only for monitoring purposes and will remain strictly confidential and is not a requirement of application.

Thank you for taking the time to complete this form.

Now to me, looking at this, equal opps questionnaires are for monitoring purposes, confidential and not compulsory.

A whole world away from (to my mind anyway) the Tory's plan for weeding out foreigners.

Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 6.40pm)

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elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 6.41pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Lets look at Corbyn's press release again to give you a chance to tell us what is wrong with it. “Drawing up lists of foreign workers won’t stop unscrupulous employers undercutting wages in Britain. Shutting the door to international students won’t pay young people’s tuition fee debts, and ditching doctors from abroad won’t cut NHS waiting lists." Well you've already intimated it's foreigners coming here that are at fault for exploitative employers. Will stopping international students help people towards uni fees, or could it possibly drive up course costs as there will be less income for the universities. Do you not think that stopping foreign students attending may have a negative effect on british university's highly held esteem abroad? Will removing foreign doctors help waiting lists? Doesn't matter the bloke who wrote this is scruffy and despite spending years and years campaigning he just wants to be part of the elite. “The Conservatives will instead foster division and discrimination in our workplaces and communities. “Once again, they are making false promises on immigration they can’t deliver. Instead of turning people against each other, ministers should take action now to deal with the real impact of migration." Is all the rhetoric about ridding us of foreigners not a form of fascism? Isn't it leading us towards an us and them No dogs, no blacks no irish attitude (Funny it's this sort of attitude that is a 70's throwback- yet Corbyn is labelled thus) Doesn't the drip drip news of 'it's all foreigners fault' lead to a rise of hate crime against non Brits? Soft fascism again. False promises about reducing immigration - exactly like Cameron said he wanted to do but immigration figures went up. Nope because the bloke who wrote it is a 70's throwback. “They should stop the abuse of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions, which would reduce numbers" see above. “They should support communities with high levels of migration and they should set out a positive agenda for fair migration rules as part of the Brexit negotiations for a new relationship with the European Union.” You don't think areas with high levels of immigration should be supported just because the papers all say he is unelectable when really they are s*** scared he might upset the status quo? First of all I do not get my thoughts from the papers,I tend to formally my own opinions. And to me that is the biggest problem with you and the left in general,if someone raises the concern of high immigration then it's thrown all out of proportion like yup have just done. Back to the fifties no blacks dogs or Irish, what a complete load of tosh. And then you say we should deal with the real issues of immigration...yet when someone says they are going to try and address it you and your lot pass your pants. If you have say (just an example before you have another hissy fit) six eastern Europeans all working group for the living wage,and they rent a house.that's five incomes going into the rent and household bills. Now that's fine they are working their nuts off doing so,not a problem,but a young couple could not afford to rent that house because 2 incomes would not be enough. But the companies are quite happy with this because 1,they can keep the wages as low as possible, and 2, they know there is an endless supply of migrants to staff their businesses. . always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 05 Oct 16 6.41pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Lets look at Corbyn's press release again to give you a chance to tell us what is wrong with it.

Well you've already intimated it's foreigners coming here that are at fault for exploitative employers.

Will removing foreign doctors help waiting lists?

Doesn't matter the bloke who wrote this is scruffy and despite spending years and years campaigning he just wants to be part of the elite.

“The Conservatives will instead foster division and discrimination in our workplaces and communities.

False promises about reducing immigration - exactly like Cameron said he wanted to do but immigration figures went up.

Nope because the bloke who wrote it is a 70's throwback.

“They should stop the abuse of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions, which would reduce numbers"

see above.

You don't think areas with high levels of immigration should be supported just because the papers all say he is unelectable when really they are s*** scared he might upset the status quo?

First of all I do not get my thoughts from the papers,I tend to formally my own opinions.
And to me that is the biggest problem with you and the left in general,if someone raises the concern of high immigration then it's thrown all out of proportion like yup have just done.
Back to the fifties no blacks dogs or Irish, what a complete load of tosh.
And then you say we should deal with the real issues of immigration...yet when someone says they are going to try and address it you and your lot pass your pants.
If you have say (just an example before you have another hissy fit) six eastern Europeans all working group for the living wage,and they rent a house.that's five incomes going into the rent and household bills.
Now that's fine they are working their nuts off doing so,not a problem,but a young couple could not afford to rent that house because 2 incomes would not be enough.
But the companies are quite happy with this because 1,they can keep the wages as low as possible, and 2, they know there is an endless supply of migrants to staff their businesses.
.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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