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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 22 Oct 22 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Matov
The real issue that is getting ignored in all the hysteria is that is makes no difference anymore who is in charge. That is the point of all of this. There is not even the pretence of any kind of genuine democratic input anymore. Truss was the PM. She decided to cut taxes back to levels that have been seen in the recent past. This was not some great revolutionary attempt to change the fiscal landscape. And in return she is gone. The office of PM is utterly pointless if you cannot decide to change the tax rate. Sunak or Starmer makes no difference. Even all this woke BS has come about under a supposedly Conservative Government. I am a bore about this but for me it is the biggest single head f*** of it all now. My vote, your vote, means literally nothing anymore. The last time it did was June 23rd 2016. And that is going to be rectified by the powers that be sooner rather than later. We are post-modern serfs. With less holidays. A lot of truth in this, but when your half thought through plans get annihilated by financial markets the excuses run out. This can obviously be due to timing, incompetence, anything, and not exclusively the policies.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Oct 22 12.05pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Yeah I’m with this point Not sure how it can be claimed so definitively that one is representative of the majority If he’s referring to the brexit vote as some sort of reference. That was eons ago. A lot has changed since then… you can’t continue to reference a single event at a single point in time and continually use it as an up to date yardstick for what ‘the majority’ is. That’s nonsense Who knows who or what the majority is now. Whatever the case I can wager it’s very different to 2016. Well, perhaps now you know what it felt like being anti EU for forty years and being denied a vote......and even when we finally got a vote on it...for remainers to regret that we were even allowed one. After 1975, we went through several decades of buyer's regret from many voters, many many people advocated for a vote on leaving the EU but didn't get it...Lots of opinion polls suggested that it was a hot issue, but PMs and parties didn't want to know......now the shoe is on the other foot and you're feeling what that is like. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Oct 2022 12.08pm)
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Teddy Eagle  22 Oct 22 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Actually I think it is near to impossible. Even if all the teams played badly there would still be winners and losers. So excitement and entertainment. I think a political re-alignment is coming ever closer. Exactly how and when it might happen is unclear but the need for it is, and when needs exist, eventually they usually get satisfied. Not much entertainment with no one watching and not for long with no income.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Oct 22 3.55pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Th tories can forget about Wales, after this classic dressing down by First Minister Mark Drayford:- 'You think you can come in here, claiming a moral high ground, after what you have done'. Ouch I wasn't the only one to pick up on Drakeford's shameless defelction.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 22 Oct 22 6.07pm |
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Kemi Badenoch has come out for Richi rich.saying- "this is no time to eat cake!"
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 22 Oct 22 6.11pm |
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CP news is wondering if Rishi rich will be crowned king on Monday- with bungle not making the cut!
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You heard it here first!| Teddy Eagle 22 Oct 22 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Kemi Badenoch has come out for Richi rich.saying- "this is no time to eat cake!" She's the new Dorothy Parker.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 22 Oct 22 6.37pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
She's the new Dorothy Parker.
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 Oct 22 6.44pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed although I am referring to your comments about MPs. They behaviour and decision making been deplorable and yet you continue to support the idea that they should be free to decide what they like regardless of what they told the electorate. It was the MPs who gave the membership a choice of Truss or Sunak. Absolutely. They manufactured the vote and eliminated those they thought would seriously challenge Sunak. Totally backfired as the membership obviously wanted anyone but Sunak. Perhaps the membership should have voted on the whole list of candidates as the MPs cannot be trusted.
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 robdave2k 22 Oct 22 6.48pm |
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I reckon this will end with Boris either PM Or Resigning as an MP this week. Leaning towards the latter. If he gets 100 votes it’s his if he wants it, but I think even he recognises it’s too soon. This way he gets to extract a bit of revenge, step away and do his tours and leave himself open for a return. I personally don’t think he should have gone - and I lost my dad during lockdown, in hospital from Covid. Couldn’t give a toss if he had a party, couldn’t give a toss if Starmer did either.
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cryrst  The garden of England 22 Oct 22 6.59pm |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
I reckon this will end with Boris either PM Or Resigning as an MP this week. Leaning towards the latter. If he gets 100 votes it’s his if he wants it, but I think even he recognises it’s too soon. This way he gets to extract a bit of revenge, step away and do his tours and leave himself open for a return. I personally don’t think he should have gone - and I lost my dad during lockdown, in hospital from Covid. Couldn’t give a toss if he had a party, couldn’t give a toss if Starmer did either. Tbh if anyone has a voice on boris yes or no it’s you and fair play .
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 22 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, perhaps now you know what it felt like being anti EU for forty years and being denied a vote......and even when we finally got a vote on it...for remainers to regret that we were even allowed one. After 1975, we went through several decades of buyer's regret from many voters, many many people advocated for a vote on leaving the EU but didn't get it...Lots of opinion polls suggested that it was a hot issue, but PMs and parties didn't want to know......now the shoe is on the other foot and you're feeling what that is like. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Oct 2022 12.08pm) What you really mean is that you didn't get what you wanted. The people as a whole did though. Why? Because in our representative democracy our representatives decided not to do anything. All the opinion polls in the world don't change that. The task of our representatives is to deliver what they believe we need. The people want that too, when they delegate the decision making. Our task is solely to choose who represents us. "Remainers" not only have a right to complain that you ought not have been "allowed" a vote, they have a duty to keep on pointing it out, lest this idea of yours goes unchallenged. We do not run our country via a direct democracy. We are a representative democracy in which you participate just as much as me, or anyone else. If ever we switch to a direct system, your arguments would have future validity. Now they have none at all.
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