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 Spiderman  Horsham 17 Apr 20 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
A flat earther For example, in the plague that spread through Europe in the 14th century, it is reckoned that maybe one in three people died. Obviously, if we were facing something like that, it would be reasonable to take very extreme measures. But this is a disease that is maybe going to kill 0.3, 0.2 or 0.1 per cent of people that it infects. Without a lockdown this virulent disease could end up infecting everyone and the 0.3% of the population that could be killed amounts to 220,000 In my opinion the lockdown is worth it if it saves 200,000 lives Indeed
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 11.18am |
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No, it's a genuine concern but it needs to be handled correctly and that involves science and diplomacy and not politicking. Having spent a lot of time in the Philippines where there are also live markets and practices that are not found here I have seen many things that made me wince. As a counter to that they also practice significantly better regular personal hygiene than we do. Even the poorest of the poor have it drummed into them.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Apr 20 11.18am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Indeed There has never been a virus that infected everyone or even came anywhere close to it.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Apr 20 11.18am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Maybe I've missed them but I just haven't seen a view like this being aired. The mainstream media have been about as far removed from a 'fourth estate' as you could get. There are few things in what he’s saying that have been discussed on here. The decrease in acceleration of cases. Firstly it’s 3 weeks since lockdown but then the average days from contraction to death is 23-25 days. He’s another who compares Britain to Sweden. It really doesn’t prove anything. He also pretty much keeps saying ‘may not.’ I haven’t seen many politicians show confidence in what they’re doing with ‘may not.’ Instead we’ve used experts advice seeing as we have no experience of this and little global body assistance with virtually any of it. It’s easy to say we should do this or that when you’re not the one in the hot seat. There’s been cross party agreement on the lockdowns. Hopefully in a few weeks we’ll have kept our discipline and make good strides to getting back to normal work. Then anybody anybody really angry about wanting to get back to closer contact work will have to remember not to blame anyone if they fall ill.
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| SavoyTruffle 17 Apr 20 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I keep hearing this, 'China are not blameless'. What? They are fully to blame, they sat on full knowledge for days without informing organizations or countries of what was coming. Only someone with their head in the sand can't work out why. Taiwan wrote to the WHO about this disease before even that compromised organization would do anything. They closed their borders without their advice. Taiwan know all about the Chinese communist party. 'China are not blameless'!!!! It's like saying Crippen just liked his cellar. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 10.49am) The caveat is added to avoid people wilfully misconstruing criticism of various governments response to the crisis as letting China off the hook. It appears even with that caveat you have managed to do so...
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| Stirlingsays 17 Apr 20 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
There are few things in what he’s saying that have been discussed on here. The decrease in acceleration of cases. Firstly it’s 3 weeks since lockdown but then the average days from contraction to death is 23-25 days. He’s another who compares Britain to Sweden. It really doesn’t prove anything. He also pretty much keeps saying ‘may not.’ I haven’t seen many politicians show confidence in what they’re doing with ‘may not.’ Instead we’ve used experts advice seeing as we have no experience of this and little global body assistance with virtually any of it. It’s easy to say we should do this or that when you’re not the one in the hot seat. There’s been cross party agreement on the lockdowns. Hopefully in a few weeks we’ll have kept our discipline and make good strides to getting back to normal work. Then anybody anybody really angry about wanting to get back to closer contact work will have to remember not to blame anyone if they fall ill. I note and respect your different view on this. Personally though, I don't think time is going to be kind. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 11.25am)
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| Stirlingsays 17 Apr 20 11.29am |
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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle
The caveat is added to avoid people wilfully misconstruing criticism of various governments response to the crisis as letting China off the hook. It appears even with that caveat you have managed to do so... Those who focus upon downplaying China's total responsibility and heightening blame onto the affected countries are essentially victim blaming. As for the limited criticism that can be attached to these victims for their response. I myself have criticised my own government.....A government I voted for and would vote for again...given its opposition. However, no country outside of China is to blame for this.....and we only had SARS from China a few years back. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Apr 2020 12.16pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 20 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Agreed, political points scoring from any party, at this time, is imo outrageous I think there is little doubt where it started don't you? No, it seems almost certain it started as widely reported, in China. Making informed determinations on how it was initially handled, when and why decisions were made as they were, and what lessons need to be learned, as well as any international recommendations on them closing their live markets, need to be done by the WHO at the appropriate time. Which is unlikely to be now. Now is the time to deal with the immediate problems and not be diverted by anything else. Starting an international tit for tat blame game at this moment, which is what Trump has done for purely political reasons, is disgraceful. In my opinion. Him then doubling down and involving the WHO, and removing their funding, adds fuel to his disgrace. It also is likely to lead to more deaths.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 17 Apr 20 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
A flat earther For example, in the plague that spread through Europe in the 14th century, it is reckoned that maybe one in three people died. Obviously, if we were facing something like that, it would be reasonable to take very extreme measures. But this is a disease that is maybe going to kill 0.3, 0.2 or 0.1 per cent of people that it infects. Without a lockdown this virulent disease could end up infecting everyone and the 0.3% of the population that could be killed amounts to 220,000 In my opinion the lockdown is worth it if it saves 200,000 lives
0.1% would mean only 1 in every 1000 people who get the virus will die. Stats whilst different depending on which country and how they are reported, are all showing way higher numbers than this.
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Teddy Eagle  17 Apr 20 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, it's a genuine concern but it needs to be handled correctly and that involves science and diplomacy and not politicking. Having spent a lot of time in the Philippines where there are also live markets and practices that are not found here I have seen many things that made me wince. As a counter to that they also practice significantly better regular personal hygiene than we do. Even the poorest of the poor have it drummed into them. Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, SARS, bird flu, Covid, etc all having the same origin suggests it hasn’t been “ handled correctly” in the past. What will be different this time?
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| Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 20 12.33pm |
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| Stirlingsays 17 Apr 20 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Can you imagine what a certain political demographic would be saying if this virus had emerged from the US and that Trump had taken the same decisions as the CCP?
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