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BlueJay Flag UK 03 Dec 20 6.04pm

Originally posted by Badger11

And guess what President Obama has just said.

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I will also pat myself on the back for pointing out that the BLM protestors were stupid for voting for people who were in charge of their city and so were the problem not the solution.

I wonder if those people are now feeling a teensy weensy bit betrayed.

Edited by Badger11 (03 Dec 2020 8.35am)

He was in many ways speaking along the same lines prior to the election [Link] only not in such specific terms - for the reason you correctly state. Both parties 'use' their supporters really rather than give them anything. Trump did the same, and his abhorrent character tainted many of those who got too used to suckling on him. The man himself is not coping too well with being tomorrow's fish and chip paper it seems.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 03 Dec 20 6.05pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I thought you were emphasisIng the point

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Dec 20 6.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I abhor the very concept of 'hate speech'.....these are ideas and laws that people like you support.

However, if I were to qualify such speech your commentary on Trump certainly looks like a candidate for it.

The level of dehumanisation is wholly ridiculous.

Oh hate speech is real and it's often very dangerous when it incites others to take violent, or otherwise hurtful, actions against others.

I am shocked that anyone would actually try to deny it's existence.

Some of Trump's own rhetoric is borderline hate speech.

To suggest my take on Trump is too is totally ridiculous. It is shared by many millions of others, so many in fact that I believe the majority agree with my opinion. Nothing I say is invented. The evidence exists, much of it provided by Trump himself, via his statements and tweets.

At no time have I incited anyone to take any kind of any action, other than through democratic or legal means.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Dec 20 6.29pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh hate speech is real and it's often very dangerous when it incites others to take violent, or otherwise hurtful, actions against others.

I am shocked that anyone would actually try to deny it's existence.

Some of Trump's own rhetoric is borderline hate speech.

To suggest my take on Trump is too is totally ridiculous. It is shared by many millions of others, so many in fact that I believe the majority agree with my opinion. Nothing I say is invented. The evidence exists, much of it provided by Trump himself, via his statements and tweets.

At no time have I incited anyone to take any kind of any action, other than through democratic or legal means.

So it’s not hate speech if lots of people agree with it? I suspect what you mean is it’s not hate speech if people agree with you.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Dec 20 6.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I regard the idea that assertions without evidence have any value as worthless. Making assumptions based only on observations and prejudice isn't evidence.

There is plenty of evidence that Antifa and BLM have associations with the Democrats. As I have said, many of those that fill their ranks also work within Democratic campaigns. It's no different on the republican side with their groups but here you are suggesting that somehow entities working towards the same goal don't work together.....it's just not official.

There is also plenty of evidence....to the contrary of that you claimed that media companies act as a mouthpiece and censor for the Democrats...Project Veritas is releasing recordings from within CNN that prove the very same. To most people it's evidence of sucking eggs, as it's been obvious for a very long time now.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I believe you to be a decent man at heart. Mistaken and misguided but decent. I therefore believe that, like every decent man, you support both the idea that every life matters (including those with black or white skins, the young and the old) and oppose fascism (having written against it in the past).

That being so you will support the sentiment behind the phrase "black lives matter" and the idea of being "anti-fascist". I do, and so does, I believe, every decent person.

Well, I'm anti abortion so I could hardly be someone who would promote the idea that life doesn't matter...regardless of the genetics.

However, I'm not an egalitarian and I don't believe in equality. I believe that most people pay lip service to those ideas as in situations that would cost them you find they put themselves and those they love first....I regard those concepts as virtue signaling and lies.

I prefer honesty and truth over virtue signalling.

I put the interests of my genetic group and culture first as that's human nature. This is the position of most of the world outside of Europe. However, I also support the social conservatives of any group outside of religious fanaticism.

You want to refer to 'anti fascism'....where is the fascist party in the UK? There is a communist party, which is openly funded and has its offices in London. Yet communism is responsible for a far larger pile of bones in history....yet no one seems bothered about them do they.

I'm a nationalist and a social conservative. Yet I believe in free speech and believe that all people's can and should live in peace within their own nations and systems.

When I see 'antifa', I see authoritarians who want to force everybody to live under the one system that they support.

The communists were 'anti fascists' and that's what I'm seeing, modern corporate communism.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That though is a million miles away from supporting organisations or quasi-organisations, who hide behind the phrases to promote their own particular ideologies, often sucking in the genuinely concerned in the process.

You can't have one without the other, the past year has illustrated that clearly.

The organisation 'black lives matter' (not the idea) has had millions donated to it and the causes it promotes....the bank of America on its own gave huge sums.

So forgive me if I regard this....'we support the idea, but not the organization' as little more than waddle.

You can support concepts all you like from the safe hidy hole of Cornwall....the reality is somewhat different.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The Democrats support the sentiments and not the organisations. They have a tricky job in drawing lines that manage to harness the energy of the genuinely concerned whilst separating them from the exploiters.

So the idea that the Democrats even support "BLM" or "Antifa", let alone that they are "joined at the hip", is nonsense. Where is the evidence? Show us all something in their Articles of Association or Constitutions that proves any kind of official connection or you risk becoming more Trumplike than Trump in throwing around baseless claims.

That the Trump campaign has sought to make these associations as a way to paint the Democrats as "leftists" is just par for their standard modus operandi, which is resonant of their roots. Surely we are all wiser than that?

Perhaps not though.

You are just deluded.

If the Democrats weren't connected to BLM or Antifa....and I'm talking about the organisations here not the 'idea', then they would have condemned those organisations directly.....which they didn't. All they did was talk about violence, they would not condemn the groups by name.....the reasons is obvious, these are their activists and voters.

Yet the Democrats and their media expressly and regularly asked Trump to condemn civic nationalist groups like the proud boys.....which amusingly he ended up doing....Yet when it came to their own groups some of them even pretended not to know they existed and laughingly some talked about 'ideas'.

Double standards with cherries on top.


Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2020 6.35pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 03 Dec 20 6.53pm

I wonder if her hotel room has a mini bar?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Dec 20 7.10pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I wonder if her hotel room has a mini bar?

If it has it’s an empty one and she’s got a beezer of a bill to pay.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Dec 20 8.00pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are just deluded.

If the Democrats weren't connected to BLM or Antifa....and I'm talking about the organisations here not the 'idea', then they would have condemned those organisations directly.....which they didn't. All they did was talk about violence, they would not condemn the groups by name.....the reasons is obvious, these are their activists and voters.

Yet the Democrats and their media expressly and regularly asked Trump to condemn civic nationalist groups like the proud boys.....which amusingly he ended up doing....Yet when it came to their own groups some of them even pretended not to know they existed and laughingly some talked about 'ideas'.

Double standards with cherries on top.


Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2020 6.35pm)

Thank you.

You prove beyond a shadow of doubt that you are posting bs.

These are just claims without a shred of any actual evidence. Anyone can make assertions, just as Trump is doing with his claims of election fraud. You are entitled to opinions but not to try to elevate them to fact.

There are perfectly sound reasons, which I explained, why the Democrats were circumspect over their handling of the protests which sometimes also became disturbances. Many good people were involved, energised by what they had seen and determined as never before to do something about it. Making sure their actions were supported whilst condemning violence was the difficulty.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Dec 20 8.09pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Thank you.

You prove beyond a shadow of doubt that you are posting bs.

These are just claims without a shred of any actual evidence. Anyone can make assertions, just as Trump is doing with his claims of election fraud. You are entitled to opinions but not to try to elevate them to fact.

There are perfectly sound reasons, which I explained, why the Democrats were circumspect over their handling of the protests which sometimes also became disturbances. Many good people were involved, energised by what they had seen and determined as never before to do something about it. Making sure their actions were supported whilst condemning violence was the difficulty.

BS?

What specifically are you stating from what I'm saying has no evidence?

Are you denying that actual Antifa groups and BLM were involved in violence, looting and the destruction of businesses?

I'll say it again, the Democrats didn't condemn these groups because they are their activists and voters.

If Trump had been declared winner they would be out there still burning their cities.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 03 Dec 20 9.07pm

Originally posted by matthau

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It looks like you should increase your bet.. and to be extra sure of winning, when the witching hour comes stir a ballot into a cauldron full of eye of newt and toe of frog. I will reveal more in a later Q-Drop. We can go 50/50.

 

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