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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 May 20 10.25am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I might be naive but you are demonstrably ignorant.

I have expressed no opinion on whether the "gang rape is disproportionaly from Asian men" in recent comments. In the past though I have said that this seems an established fact.

I have expressed no opinion on whether the report should, or should not, "remain secret" because I don't know the reasoning. All I have done is speculate on what the reasoning might be.

I cannot stop you thinking whatever you like but I know you are totally wrong. You are also a disgustingly rude and very ignorant man.

I do not believe you are defending the people involved in this awful crimes however I do believe you are an apologist for the establishment. You have demonstrated that on the Brexit thread your default position is the politicians know best and we must respect their decisions.

I like many in this country have a healthy scepticism about our lords and masters so I am not prepared to be as forgiving or understanding as you are.

That said I respect your view although I don't agree with it you are consistent in your view and I don't believe you are pro Muslim rape gangs just pro establishment.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 01 May 20 10.33am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC


If there are fears of reprisals against Muslims perhaps that is a valid reason for withholding the report. However, any rational person is then going to wonder what kind of a picture of certain aspects of Muslim society does this report paint that it cannot be made public?

I very much doubt that the report generalises about Muslim society at all as the rational people that you speak about will realise that there are 2.6m Muslims living in Britain of which 2.55m are as well behaved as the rest of us and it's just a small minority spoiling it.

I would suggest that the exact opposite of what you suggest may be the truth in that far from rational people it is the country's many thickos like the paediatrician hunters of a few years ago that the Government is thinking of

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 May 20 11.08am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Oh no I think it is very much about the subject of said report, it is the title of this thread.

You therefore have to question the mentality of someone who enters the appropriately titled thread, on a very sensitive subject matter, to vehemently defend a petty matter of bureaucracy to such lengths.

I have no comment to make about anyone wishing to discuss the overall issue. That's their business and as it's been thrashed to death on here many times there's not much to add.

MY RECENT remarks were only about the report and then the nonsensical criticism that followed them.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 May 20 11.20am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I do not believe you are defending the people involved in this awful crimes however I do believe you are an apologist for the establishment. You have demonstrated that on the Brexit thread your default position is the politicians know best and we must respect their decisions.

I like many in this country have a healthy scepticism about our lords and masters so I am not prepared to be as forgiving or understanding as you are.

That said I respect your view although I don't agree with it you are consistent in your view and I don't believe you are pro Muslim rape gangs just pro establishment.

Thank you for the measured remarks.

It's true that I have more faith in those who choose to offer themselves as our representatives than many appear to have. Having known a handful of them in my life I know that the motivation of those people was to serve us as best they can. Selfless people do actually exist and this blanket rejection of an "establishment", as though it exists as some kind of separate entity to the rest of society, doesn't chime with me.

My reasoning has always been that we need to accept our own responsibilities first, before criticising others. We choose them, so if we don't like what they do then change them. Even stand ourselves.

I despise apathy and want to see people engaged and active in making the decisions.

I think our current system does need an overhaul to ensure that there is a better, and more representative, Parliament in Westminster. So I am not uncritical. Just not of the same things.

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 01 May 20 11.35am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I might be naive but you are demonstrably ignorant.

I have expressed no opinion on whether the "gang rape is disproportionaly from Asian men" in recent comments. In the past though I have said that this seems an established fact.

incorrect again Wisbech.

They were not 'Asian' men. That is BBC newspeak. I do not recall Chinese, Indian, Mongolian, nor even Kazakhs.

The gangs were massively skewed towards those of a pakistani origin. Do try to keep up with all the details of the cases.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 May 20 12.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Oh no I think it is very much about the subject of said report, it is the title of this thread.

You therefore have to question the mentality of someone who enters the appropriately titled thread, on a very sensitive subject matter, to vehemently defend a petty matter of bureaucracy to such lengths.

Oh but MY remarks were ONLY about the report. If others want to discuss other things that's up to them. I am not. The continuing "lengths" involved is me defending my integrity.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 May 20 12.06pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

incorrect again Wisbech.

They were not 'Asian' men. That is BBC newspeak. I do not recall Chinese, Indian, Mongolian, nor even Kazakhs.

The gangs were massively skewed towards those of a pakistani origin. Do try to keep up with all the details of the cases.

Sorry to tell you but it's you who is incorrect.

I didn't refer to them as "Asian" men. It was the previous poster who did. I was quoting HIM, which is why inverted commas were used.

Please address your criticism to the correct person. You can easily find who that is.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 May 20 12.23pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I very much doubt that the report generalises about Muslim society at all as the rational people that you speak about will realise that there are 2.6m Muslims living in Britain of which 2.55m are as well behaved as the rest of us and it's just a small minority spoiling it.

I would suggest that the exact opposite of what you suggest may be the truth in that far from rational people it is the country's many thickos like the paediatrician hunters of a few years ago that the Government is thinking of

Understand this point of course, visions of half-wits attacking the local, British owned, Nepalese restaurant come to mind.

There is the point however that we are therefore justifying the removal of any transparency for [punishing] the majority as a result of an assumed minority. I'd argue not very democratic. If further crimes are committed as a result, then prosecute accordingly.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Teddy Eagle Flag 01 May 20 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am struggling to understand your point.

We know an investigation has been made. That's what this mini thread is about. Or ought to be.

I mean the investigation into those responsible for abandoning the original enquiries.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 May 20 1.10pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I very much doubt that the report generalises about Muslim society at all as the rational people that you speak about will realise that there are 2.6m Muslims living in Britain of which 2.55m are as well behaved as the rest of us and it's just a small minority spoiling it.

I would suggest that the exact opposite of what you suggest may be the truth in that far from rational people it is the country's many thickos like the paediatrician hunters of a few years ago that the Government is thinking of

I'm sure it doesn't, however, you have actually backed my point up. The report could be deemed so incendiary by some, whilst it is withheld, that they simply assume the worst. Making fears worse than they already are.
The report should be published but I will say that it may be better to wait until this current situation has passed. Holding this back is adding fuel to the fire of conspiracy theorists - not making them think 'nothing to see here'.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 01 May 20 2.37pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I do not believe you are defending the people involved in this awful crimes however I do believe you are an apologist for the establishment. You have demonstrated that on the Brexit thread your default position is the politicians know best and we must respect their decisions.

I like many in this country have a healthy scepticism about our lords and masters so I am not prepared to be as forgiving or understanding as you are.

That said I respect your view although I don't agree with it you are consistent in your view and I don't believe you are pro Muslim rape gangs just pro establishment.

Politicians are correct even if the split is 52-48.
Is that what WE believes?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 May 20 2.59pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm sure it doesn't, however, you have actually backed my point up. The report could be deemed so incendiary by some, whilst it is withheld, that they simply assume the worst. Making fears worse than they already are.
The report should be published but I will say that it may be better to wait until this current situation has passed. Holding this back is adding fuel to the fire of conspiracy theorists - not making them think 'nothing to see here'.

Which is precisely one of the suggested possible reasons I gave a while back.

Those who took this decision will understand very well that it will upset a lot of people, and lessen confidence, so there has to be an over-riding consideration as politically it will only be damaging.

I suspect it will be made available, together with details of the follow up actions, when it is deemed safe to do so.

 


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